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Topic: Flatted root, A&B down |
Wayne Baker
From: Altus Oklahoma
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 4:39 pm
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What is the chord if string four is flatted a half tone, A&B pedals are down, playing 4,5 and 6? _________________ Thanks,
Wayne Baker
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Charlie Hansen
From: Halifax, NS Canada and Various Southern Towns.
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 4:48 pm
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I believe it’s a 9th chord. _________________ I don't know much but what I know I know very well.
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Wayne Baker
From: Altus Oklahoma
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 4:52 pm Flatted root, A&B down
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Thank you Charlie. _________________ Thanks,
Wayne Baker
USAF retired, three wars, 21 years, 18 countries. God bless the USA |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Wayne Baker
From: Altus Oklahoma
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 5:00 pm Flatted root, A&B down
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Thanks b0b. I really like it. _________________ Thanks,
Wayne Baker
USAF retired, three wars, 21 years, 18 countries. God bless the USA |
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Andrew Frost
From: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 9:18 pm
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This is also a good way to play a partial D#'half diminished' chord aka D#min7b5. If you include the F# string(s) it is a complete 4 note chord, R b3 b5 b7
AB down w/ Es lowered, "one fret above" is how I think of it. So Em7b5 is at fret one. The root note is on string 4 & 8.
D#m7b5 w/ B in the bass makes B9. Great 5 chord in the home position. You can get the B root by using the BC pedals w/ Es lowered instead of AB. Its a big chord though- one needn't play all the chord tones. |
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Wayne Baker
From: Altus Oklahoma
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 10:05 pm Flatted root, A&B down
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Thank you Andrew. That helps. I'll try the one fret up chord and see what I can do with it. _________________ Thanks,
Wayne Baker
USAF retired, three wars, 21 years, 18 countries. God bless the USA |
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Frank Freniere
From: The First Coast
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Posted 10 Oct 2021 3:07 am Re: Flatted root, A&B down
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Wayne Baker wrote: |
What is the chord if string four is flatted a half tone, A&B pedals are down, playing 4,5 and 6? |
I always thought that was a 7th chord. |
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Chris Brooks
From: Providence, Rhode Island
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Posted 10 Oct 2021 5:35 am
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What b0b said. Playing 4, 5, 6:
In 0 position, B pedal + E > D# lever = B7
Add A pedal: B9 chord
Caveat: Determining "what chord is this" really requires knowing the root of the chord (i.e. "What note is the bass player playing?)
BTW, if you half-pedal A you get a nice B7b9 chord . . . jazzier than a straight B7. |
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Wayne Baker
From: Altus Oklahoma
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Posted 10 Oct 2021 6:34 am Chris Brooks
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Excellent! I like jazzy. I'm tryna get some super fat jazz type stuff for a more modern Christian music application as well. I'm taking the PFM. The C6 essentials course is really helping me. _________________ Thanks,
Wayne Baker
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J D Sauser
From: Wellington, Florida
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Posted 10 Oct 2021 7:53 am
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The way you may want to look at it is the Dom7th chord you get with strings 4&8 lowered half (E-to-Eb-lever) and the B-pedal down only: which is your typical 7th chord.
You ADD the A-pedal to the mix and you have a 9th because the root get's raised a full tone on the same fret (which is 2 frets below your A&B down Major position).
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Fred Treece
From: California, USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2021 11:12 am
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AB+E’s lowered changes the 0 position tuning to
C#-D-D#-F#-A-C#-D#-A-D#-F# (low to high)
String 9(D) is the oddball in an otherwise basically symmetric pattern across the strings.
The four notes C#-D#-F#-A, in any order, can form 4 different chords:
B9 no root (3-5–7-9)
D#m7b5 (1-b3-b5-7)
F#m6 (1-b3-5-6)
F7b9#5 no root. (3-#5-7-b9)
Some ordering of notes sound better than others for context. Only string 9 is “wrong†for any of those chords, but there is still a lovely Dmaj7 chord sitting there on strings 9-7-6-5. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 7 Nov 2021 11:29 am Re: Flatted root, A&B down
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Wayne Baker wrote: |
What is the chord if string four is flatted a half tone, A&B pedals are down, playing 4,5 and 6? |
Just an FYI, with A and B pedals down, then lowering 4 (or 8 ), is not flatting the root. It is flatting the 5th of the A chord, and turns the A chord into the B9 chord the others have mentioned. The root of tha A chord would be the A notes on strings 3 & 6. And once you lower the E notes to make the B9 chord, you no longer have a root for the B9 chord. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Fred Treece
From: California, USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2021 11:52 am
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Thanks for getting us back on track, Richard. Strings 4 and 8 are only the root of an E major after pedals and levers are released from the chord in question when it is played as a B9.
Any 3 of the 4 notes C#-D#-F#-A also form the same chords and chord partials I mentioned in my previous post, including the notes in the string 6-5-4 grip. I just thought the additional information might benefit the OP since he is looking to jazz-up his sound. |
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Andrew Frost
From: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 7 Nov 2021 8:54 pm
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Quote: |
Any 3 of the 4 notes C#-D#-F#-A also form the same chords and chord partials I mentioned in my previous post, including the notes in the string 6-5-4 grip. I just thought the additional information might benefit the OP since he is looking to jazz-up his sound. |
Yes indeed. AB w/ Es lowered is one of those "swiss army knife" grips on E9 for chord subs. One cool trick for minor 2 5 1's is to use it for all 3 chords in the turnaround. For example, on strings 5678, play Bm7b5 at 8th fret, E7(alt) at 11 and Am6 at 3 or 15. |
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Steve Mueller
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 8 Nov 2021 7:39 am
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Some great ideas everyone. Thanks! One of my favorites is the diminished available using strings 8 - 4(which I believe someone already mentioned) using the half pedal, or half step change from B-C if you've got it. You can get lost down a rabbit hole once you start looking at the possibilities! _________________ 2016 Williams D12 8 x 8, 2015 Williams D12 8 x 8, 2023 Williams S12 4 x 5, Milkman Amps, 1974 Gibson Byrdland |
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Steve Mueller
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 8 Nov 2021 7:45 am
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Once you start using ideas like this for the more harmonically rich chords, you begin appreciate the depth and versaltility of the C6th tuning. To me, these ideas are so much more accessable and logical on the C6. Now if I could just figure out a way to combine these tunings.....HA! _________________ 2016 Williams D12 8 x 8, 2015 Williams D12 8 x 8, 2023 Williams S12 4 x 5, Milkman Amps, 1974 Gibson Byrdland |
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Dale Rottacker
From: Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 8 Nov 2021 7:51 am
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Steve Mueller wrote: |
Once you start using ideas like this for the more harmonically rich chords, you begin appreciate the depth and versaltility of the C6th tuning. To me, these ideas are so much more accessable and logical on the C6. Now if I could just figure out a way to combine these tunings.....HA! |
After a lifetime, I've finally started exploring C6th and getting a kick out of it. And what you say here about depth and versatility and logic, gotta say I'm not there yet. The C6th stuff I find relatively easy on E9th, I'm having to do a LOT of hunting for on C6th. E9th has always been more intuitive to me than C6th, even though a lot of people have told me for what I play on E9th, I should rightly be on C6th. _________________ Dale Rottacker, Steelinatune™
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