Are YOUR EARS super sensative?

Ray Montee · From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)

Can you tell upon first hearing a song on steel guitar, what tuning it likely is being played in?

Some of us are fortunate enough and blessed with enough where with all.......to be able to do this. Others must struggle but in time, it likely will come to them as well.

Two fine examples of the same tune are now being featured on the Jerry Byrd Fan Club site. Are they being played in the same tuning? On the same guitar? What's YOUR point of view? It's one of those "Ear Challenges" that is sorta fun from time to time.

Give it a listen and share YOUR THOUGHTS with the rest of us, okay?
http://www.jerrybyrdfanclub.com/jerrysMusic.htm.

Jeff Au Hoy · From: Honolulu, Hawai'i

I'll take a guess...

Instrumental, B11.

With vocal, D9.

basilh · From: United Kingdom

Can anyone PLEASE post a link to the files for us non PEE CEE users..
I can find one file by examining the code :-
http://www.jerrybyrdfanclub.com/Music/Sand2.mp3

But the second file's location eludes me.
Baz

Gary Anwyl · From: Palo Alto, CA

Here's the other version of Sand: http://www.jerrybyrdfanclub.com/Music/Sand.mp3

There's a link to it on the main page: http://www.jerrybyrdfanclub.com

Ray Montee · From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)

THANKS MUCH........Gary.

Sorry 'bout that Basil........nothing personal, I assure you.

Okay, Jeff, you could be right; but then again, you could be wrong. Hummmmmmmm...

Ã˜ystein RÃ¸ysi · From: Trondheim, Norway

Ray,
I admit I have no idea about the instrumental, though, I'll agree with Jeff that it sounds like a 9th tuning...
But I disagree with him on the vocal version. I think JB uses C6/Am7 on that one.

I'm "blessed" with the ability to hear what a note or chord is, but I'm not very experienced when it comes to lap steel tunings...

Øystein

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Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

I haven't even heard the recording. But I went through Mr. Byrd's instruction book and also ordered his tablature for Sand. Both in B11. In a certain time period Sand was almost ALWAYS played in B11. I have heard a recording by him that the liner notes said were in B11. I would be willing to bewt that the instrumental is in B11. Now I'll give it a listen.

Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

Now having listened, I'd be very surprised to learn that the instrumental was in anything other than B11. The vocal was probably not. I didn't hear any B11 sounds there. I would say a variation of C6. But again, this is only partly ear. I know that Jerry played in C6 or C6/A7 ALOT. D9 isn't likely in my opinion because I'm sure I heard a 3-5-6-1-3 straight bar arpeggio in there. If it wasn't Jerry Byrd, though, why couldn't it be A6? Why not the E6 with the high G#? I did make sure to only listen onece. That was the criteria, yes?

[This message was edited by Edward Meisse on 30 August 2006 at 09:50 PM.]

Mike Neer · From: NJ

Ray, I just downloaded the vocal version of Sand and I have to tell you I examined the mp3 tag info (all of the files technical information). In my opinion, you should reconfigure the software that you're using to create these mp3s. The files are unnecessarily large and at 48000Hz, Joint Stereo, 256Kbit, they could have been reduced to be half the size with just a negligible difference. Ergo, they will download much, much faster.

It should be 44.1kHz, Mono or stereo (configure for individual tracks, the mono tracks stay mono, the stereo remain stereo). Rip to 128kbit or 160kbit--it's good enough for internet transmission. Even 96kbit or 112 will work. I re-ripped it myself and it's now 1.9MB vs. 4.5MB.

Just tryin' to help.

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Andy Sandoval · From: Bakersfield, California, USA

That instrumental version of Sand is the sweetest version I've ever heard.

basilh · From: United Kingdom

What Jeff said.
Instrumental B11 and the Vocal version D9

Thanks for the link Garry you said

Jeff Au Hoy · From: Honolulu, Hawai'i

I say D9 (E on top) for the vocal version because I hear 3-5-7-9 strummed under the bar and no major triads with the fifth on top. The full 6th chord you hear at the end of the tune is made up of open strings and the F# fretted at the first fret. At least that's what my ears hear.

Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

Wowee. If that's correct, you're ears are definitely better trained than mine. Jerry did use D9 now and again.

Derrick Mau · From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA

It's funny how you'll hear people say "I don't have an ear for music", but when $$$$$
drops to the ground, they'll hear that from a mile away.

I vote B11 too for the instrumental, but it doesn't sound like Jerry is using his Rick for this cut. The tone is different, more like his Sho-Bud.

Kenny Dail · From: Kinston, N.C. R.I.P.

Instrumental version is the B11th tuning and the vocal version is C6th diatonic tuniing.

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Ray Montee · From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)

You guys are very sharp; no doubt about it!

About the audio set-up on my web-page.

I am at best......... a lousy computer person. My knowledge is minimal and at 70 yrs I feel extremely fortunate that I can manage to get by as well as I do. I've got great equipment and a working set-up that I'm trying to share with as many as possible. I DID NOT SAY THE ENTIRE WORLD!!

I chose a set-up for play-back that was easy for ME! I'm doing this out of my own pocket and Jerry Byrd was quite upset by that fact alone! I have no desire to make listening to this collection of music any more difficult than absolutely necessary. I cannot address the "Professionals" and their sophisticated software that don't seem to work with my choice; at the same time I'm trying to keep the "Mac" users happy and with the help of several concerned Forumites and at least one moderator, have apparently quelled most of that ruckus.
Of course, we have to cope with the daily complaints of those individuals that are using a twenty year old machine and/or, the individuals that built there machine from a dozen different scrapped machines that they picked up at Good Will, or, from those running hand-me down software that's twenty years out-of-date.
Some folks won't even read the information on the web site about where this rich music can be located on the web site. Some, can't figure out how to operate the audio controls on the bottom of pages #1, #3 and elsewhere; a simple "PLAY" and/or "STOP".
WHAT AM I TO DO? I can throw in the towel to end this constant and unrelenting controversy, complaining and bickering. (My lovely wife has recommended I do just that!)
I have selected a system that was minimally difficult for ME! I wish the whole world, players and non-players alike, could hear every tune that Jerry Byrd ever played. What a talent! A Talent that should not be ignored!
The last thing "we" need is to have some record company come down on me for then, there would/will be no more Jerry Byrd music to hear.............EVER! The records and CD's have stopped coming. This is it and with the help of interested JB Fans from around the world, we are able to expand our tune selection beyond what I single handedly could have otherwise provided.
Is there not any other alternative but to constantly be hacking at me for your own equipment or software short-comings? I didn't select your personal equipment and I cannot affort to pay any more thousands of dollars to keep this circus running.
I truly hope that those of you who can hear and participate in the JERRRY BYRD FAN CLUB web site.....truly enjoy it. I am sincerely sorry that ANYONE is having a difficult time getting to hear these selections regardless of the cause.
Have a great day steeling!

I wonder: If $5.00 a whack for a double song mp3 would be appealing to any of you?
Not likely.........as out of pocket expense would be involved.

Mike Neer · From: NJ

Ray, don't be so "super sensative."

My suggestion of you reconfiguring your software is very simple--all you have to do is open up the tabs and change a few settings. If you don't want to do it, well no skin off my nose, but let me tell you, I would keep the problems on your end down, as the size of the files being transferred would keep your costs down.

I think it's great that you're sharing this great music, but if you would rather not hear any suggestions that would benefit YOU as well as others, then cool, just say so.

Kevin Bullat · From: Huntington Beach, CA

I finally found that for those of us born (mom!), without (dad!) perfect pitch, the best way to learn it is practice, precious, preemptive.

I just load my CD player wit Hawaiian songs and run the deck on multi-disk, random song.

Just remember, the best way to learn steel during the first 3 or 6 years is to practice 2 or 3 hours per day.

(Now drop and give me 50!)

Drew Howard · From: 48854

Ray,

My ears do indeed perk up every time you post another mp3!

thanks,
Drew

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S.Seitu · From: Massachusetts, MA

...my ears aren't super sensitive but Jerry sent me a version of "Sand" tabbed out in the key of D in A9th tuning from top to bottom E-C#-B-G-E-C#-A-low A if that helps anyone.

Jeff Au Hoy · From: Honolulu, Hawai'i

So Ray, what's the answer!? I can't take it any longer!

Rick Collins · From: Claremont , CA USA

"The human ears can discriminate among more than 300,000 tones." ...source, The Human Body, published by U.S. News magazine.

As today's music migrates more toward the "noise" part of the audio spectrum, I believe it will become more and more difficult to differeniate these tones.

Ray Montee · From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)

Jeff...........I dunno.

I just posed the question, I think.

Thanks for playing and I"m sure you're right, or very nearly so, at least. But then, I could be wrong.

Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

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