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Topic: MINOR Chords and steel guitar |
Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 10 May 2007 7:49 am |
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From time to time, the topic of MINOR CHORDs comes up and all kinds of solutions are offered.....
There's a great example of how C6th can handle this as demonstrated by the late, great, JERRY BYRD[b]. This a very versatile tuning and one doesn't need a gazillion of pedals or knee levers to accomplish this beautiful sound, as evidence in this recording of Pagan Love Song.
Care to give it a listen? |
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Carroll Hale
From:
EastTexas, USA
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Posted 10 May 2007 9:04 am
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| where do I go to hear it.....?????? |
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Martin Huch
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Hannover, Germany
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Kay Das
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 10 May 2007 5:50 pm
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| C6 = Am7 |
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Thomas Ludwig
From:
Augsburg, Germany
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Posted 11 May 2007 12:49 am
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Martin,
are there any plans of an 8-string version of the Duesenberg Multibender ??
Thomas |
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Martin Huch
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Hannover, Germany
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Posted 11 May 2007 1:58 am
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Hi Thomas
yes, there are plans, but I`m sure it will take some time...........because there is not much interest
of Jazz/Swing/Hawaiian players on the multibender at the moment. On the other hand, the rock and countryplayers - the six string family - is crazy for the system, because it converts a regular guitar into a
small pedal steel in 5 minutes.....and there it is: the minor chord .......and much more!
Grüße aus Hannover, Martin |
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Thomas Ludwig
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Augsburg, Germany
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Posted 11 May 2007 4:02 am
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Hi Martin,
when I saw your videos on duesenberg.de with the 6-stringer it nearly blows my mind thinking of the possibilities on a 8-string C6 steel guitar.
Tell the people at Duesenberg:
What the world needs is an 8-string Multibender.
Gruß nach Hannover, Thomas |
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Jay Fagerlie
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Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 11 May 2007 5:50 am
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I was looking around on the duesenberg.de site and cannot find the videos of which you spoke, Thomas.
Where are they?
Thanks
Jay |
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Gerald Ross
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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Posted 11 May 2007 6:00 am
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I don't understand what the issue is Ray.
When you are in C6 tuning (CEGACE) the top three strings are the relative minor of the major chord at that fret. i.e. if you are on the 5th fret the major chord is F and the minor chord on the top three strings is Dm.
Isn't that one of the beauties of this tuning?
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
A UkeTone Recording Artist
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Hawaiian Steel Guitar/Ukulele Website |
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Todd Weger
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Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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Posted 11 May 2007 6:45 am
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| Gerald Ross wrote: |
I don't understand what the issue is Ray.
When you are in C6 tuning (CEGACE) the top three strings are the relative minor of the major chord at that fret. i.e. if you are on the 5th fret the major chord is F and the minor chord on the top three strings is Dm.
Isn't that one of the beauties of this tuning? |
Gerald, I think that's what Ray's saying:
"There's a great example of how C6th can handle this as demonstrated by the late, great, JERRY BYRD[b]. This a very versatile tuning and one doesn't need a gazillion of pedals or knee levers to accomplish this beautiful sound, as evidence in this recording of Pagan Love Song."
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Todd James Weger --
1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, E13, A6); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Custom-made 25" aluminum cast "fry pan" with vintage Ricky p'up (C6); 1938 Epiphone Electar (A6); 1953 Oahu Tonemaster; assorted ukuleles; upright bass |
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Gerald Ross
From:
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 11 May 2007 7:22 am
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Great Jerry Byrd clip Ray!!!
....but I don't hear any minor chords in that song
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Todd Weger
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Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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Posted 11 May 2007 8:09 am Fm
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Rick -- that opening glissando is an Fm chord (C-Ab-F, from top to bottom), played at the 8th fret in C6 tuning. But right after that, the tune morphs into the relative key of Ab with that Ab6 chord.
Great tune.
TJW
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Todd James Weger --
1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, E13, A6); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Custom-made 25" aluminum cast "fry pan" with vintage Ricky p'up (C6); 1938 Epiphone Electar (A6); 1953 Oahu Tonemaster; assorted ukuleles; upright bass |
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Thomas Ludwig
From:
Augsburg, Germany
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Rockne Riddlebarger
From:
Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 May 2007 1:00 pm
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| In every major 6 tuning the string(s) that is the 6 becomes the 1 of the relative minor chord regardless of it's position in the tuning order. |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 13 May 2007 6:54 pm
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Rockne-right. You can play any maj6 tuning and get a relative min7th on it. We used to play "Pagan Love Song" and a lot of hawaiian tunes in around the mid 1930's. I used to alternate between a A6th tuning(F# minor7th) and E6 tuning( C#minor7th), back then we did it on 6 strings. All I had to do to go from E6 to A6 was to tune my 3rd G# down a tone to F# and tune my 5th B down a whole tone to A. easy switch. No pedals so we had to have 2 or 3 tunings to use on the job for certain special songs. ...It was fun in those days...al.
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My Email.. almarcus@cmedic.net
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 14 May 2007 12:27 am
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Hi Al 
what model steel is that on the Pic ? |
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Jay Fagerlie
From:
Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 14 May 2007 5:16 am
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Thanks Thomas
Cool videos!
Jay |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 14 May 2007 8:12 am My Vega D8
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Hi CrowBear, that was my Vega D8 that I played for several years from about 1938 until 1947 ,( except for the 3 years in the army in WWII), until I got a used 6 pedal Gibson Electra-Harp.
I had E6 and E7-9 tunings on it like Alvino Rey had on his Gibson Console Grande until he got his Electra-Harp. Thanks for your inquiry....al.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 14 May 2007 11:39 am
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There aren't any minor chords in Pagan Love Song. I play it in A and the chords are A6, F6 and E7. I don't hear anything more than that in Jerry Byrd's arrangement.
I do love that arrangement, though. It's the reason I learned the song many years ago.
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 14 May 2007 4:39 pm OK........I ADMIT IT!
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I'm NOT a scholarly musician and I don't even wear tattered clothing, swishy hair, do drugs or alcohol, but I was told by a kindly little olde lady decades ago, who seemed to like my playing that the minor chord in that tune was a real beauty.
I based my statement and reputation on that little olde lady's word........and I never tho't for even a nanno second, that she would take advantage of my younger years and pure innocence to mislead me to this extent.
WHAT A WORLD! Just who can a guy trust these days?
Sorry for the misleading, inaccurate and totally wrong information fellow musicans. |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 14 May 2007 5:14 pm
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If we want to get real technical- A6 is F#minor 7th,
F6 is D minor 7th...al.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 14 May 2007 7:24 pm
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If you want to hear minors, on that same record listen to Hawaiian War Chant. He starts in a major key and then switches to a minor key for a verse, then comes back to the major.
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 14 May 2007 8:13 pm
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Hi b0b, That's exactly the way it was done and we did it in the 30's. That was a very popular song in those days. Major on the first chorus , minor on the second, then usually back to major. Oh yes....al.
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