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Topic: Am I just getting old ? |
John DeBoalt
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Harrisville New York USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 5:22 pm |
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Last night I watched the Grand Old Opry on GAC. Lots of Dirks Bently, and Blake Shelton. Shots of late teen , early 20 something girls waveing arms, and singing along. Way too much drums, and rock, and roll guitar. Later I watched the Ray Price "Crazy Arms" clip from U Tube posted here. Steel, Twin fiddles, great harmony,shuffel beat. All the stuff that turned me on to country so many years ago. Have they ( country music radio, and the record industry ) finally wrecked it , or am I just being a fuddy duddy. What do you think.
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Sonny Priddy
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Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 5:28 pm
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I'm with You John. SONNY.
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 5:38 pm
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| I get a lot more entertainment out of Ray Price and Buck Owens CD's... |
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Mike Kowalik
From:
San Antonio,Texas
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 5:52 pm
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| John.....you're not a fuddy-duddy...just a man who knows what real country music sounds like!!! |
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Darryl Hattenhauer
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Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 5:53 pm
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I hate to hear that about the opry. Sounds like it has gone the way most televised country has gone. imho the 90s were country's best decade since the 60s, but since then country seems to be sliding away from music and into show biz again.
But i get spoiled because on this forum you find out about the best CW, jazz, blues, etc.
Buck owned one of the big CW stations here in Phoenix, but they never played him or Hag etc. You have to listen to a little underpowered station from northwest of Phoenix, and the beam doesn't go into southeast Phoenix very well.
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"Drinking up the future, and living down the past"--unknown singer in Phoenix
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 6:13 pm
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I try to keep an open mind. I'm an old rock 'n' roller from way back. I know what I like and understand that some folks are very nostalgic about the 60s and 70s in country music. I do like a lot of what I hear these days and am very impressed at the way players like Paul and Bruce and Dan and Sonny have adapted the steel guitar to play through changes and voicings you didn't hear in 'traditional country music'.
Please remember, however, that a lot of folks dissed Ray Price for replacing steel and fiddle with strings and Patsy Cline for doing stuff like 'Stupid Cupid' and Conway for his venture into rock. It's all music. There is good and bad in all of it. Just because it isn't a shuffle or a waltz doesn't mean it's not country -- at least in the modern definition of country.
Also remember that drums and electric instruments were not allowed on the stage of the Opry at one time.
Things change.
The Ray Price legacy will always live on in boxed sets and vinyl, tape, and CD collections everywhere. We will always have Stonewall and the Sheriff and Webb and Tater in our hearts and, thanks to recorded music, in our CD players. It's not dead; it's only snoozing. We can wake it up whenever we wish.
We will become bitter old folks if we don't allow the industry to evolve in its own way, just like it has from the Dobro to the non-pedal, to the pedal steel. It's inevitable. Get used to it or just spend the rest of your life bitching about something you can't change.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 6:13 pm
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| Except for a few rare exceptions,there is absolutely NO,NONE,NADA,country music on the airways today[audio or visual].The public has been brainwashed.It's sad there are millions out there that actually believe that acts [I use that term loosely]such as Big and Rich,Chesney,Cowboy Troy,are country artists.For those of you who support and enjoy this top twenty &*$% more power to you ,that's your right.Just PLEASE don't even insinuate this crap is country.It's just a feeble attempt of 70's rock,The Eagles did it right,this new crowd just butchers it. |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 7:07 pm
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| Things change..always have! |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 8:47 pm
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| I wouldn't go as far to say that there isn't any country music on the radio today, but I will say that acts like Rascal Flats and Montgomery Gentry are more rock and blues and not real country. Geaorge Strait, Joe Nichols, and Gretchen Wilson are definitely country most of the time. Still there is very little of it that I prefer of it over the older music. They took Paty Loveless off. What a shame. |
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Leslie Ehrlich
From:
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 9:03 pm
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| There's a simple solution to that problem. Don't watch the Grand Ole Opry. |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Apr 2006 9:33 pm
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I'm going along with the consensis of this thread, I saw the show, I missed many of the old qualities the "former" Opry had. The humor of Rod and Minny, String Bean, Grand Pa Jones and his great thumb style guitar players, the great family acts, but most of all, the great instrumentalists: Chet, Grady, Sugar Foot, Jerry B, Bud Iaascs, Del Wood, Joe Edwards, Bro. Oswald, Jim and Jessie and the list goes on.
(The new Hunter Thompson)
The Opry will never ever be this way again. Watch it today? Only for the tiny glimpses of Tommy White possibly. The rest is a bad disappointment in a comparative realm of thought.
Tommy White, you are all we have left on a perminent basis anyway.
I miss our recent losses also, Weldon, Hal, Leon Rhodes, Joe Edwards, Buddy Harmon, Jerry Whitehurst, (this list goes on and on also).
I have no desire to work it again, it used to be fun for me ($$$$), but with the security, poor parking conditions, "high school" lockers in the halls, 12 foot high fences with barbed wire on top surrounding the place, I need to move on up. I miss the Ryman from a working standpoint, even though the parking situation is horrible there now also.
Sorry about these negitive comments, but last weeks show and this thread just got to me.
Yes, I won't be watching it any more. Or working it,(undoubtedly! Ha!)
Yes, things may and will change, but I don't have to lower my personal standards to still enjoy life, and steel guitar. Nor do any of us that love the great country music.
[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 16 April 2006 at 10:40 PM.] [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 16 April 2006 at 10:41 PM.] |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 12:03 am
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Well although I too am a fan of the older CM and of course Ray Price..
but..
I happen to also REALLY like Dierks Bentley..The show opened with a ton of fine Steel playin'...
Lotta Leavin to do...
I like this song, I play this song..I really like playing this song..Where we play , this song is always on the set list...
I'm glad Dierks had the Steel player play half the fills in the tune...live on the Opry.
Steve Wariner had a fine player with him...and it was not a young guy..
Blake Shelton..I turned it off...
from that point the show was over for me too...
Music has indeed changed , so has everything else. We have Cellphones, Big Screen TV's DVD's, SUV's..Internet , Hot and Now, American Idol, Carter Steels, Magnum Steels, Rains Steels, process Cheese , frozen Pizza etc..Even Mrs Pauls seems to have gone by the wayside to Gortons Frozen fish...
Music has always changed with the times...Changing with the times does not mean to give up where we came from ( roots) I think a musician that comes from an era of a few decades ago and merges with a "Today" group brings so much more to the table than someone without the history lesson...
I love the older music too..and I love some of the new Music, but just not as much as the older music...
I wanna do it all
And I sure wish the Opry would add a Legend to the TV lineup now and then, they are on the NON TV portion weekly...
[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 17 April 2006 at 01:19 AM.] |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 2:06 am
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I did a demo session for (song writer)Jimmy Peppers about two years ago. One of the songs on the demo was "No More Hanks" - about the traditional country singers and pickers are gone from the Opry and what is there now you can't tell the difference between the acts.
That just about sums it up, at least for the televised portion. It has nothing to do with the backup musician's or their talents, just that much of the traditional country music is gone from the Opry.
I'll dig out that song and post it here later. |
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 2:25 am
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| Well, to each his own but I'll tell you how I deal with the GOO on Friday and Saturday nights. While I'm driving to my gig some 85 miles away every weekend, I turn 650AM on and see who or what's on. If Tommy's playing behind somebody, I'll listen or if there's another steel player playing I'll listen but if there's no steel, then I've got solution for that problem. 90% of my CD's are steel CD's. So, I just simply put Seymour, Hughey, Johnson, White or whoever I feel like listening to on and get a lot more enjoyment out of that. I'll usually give the mess they've got on the opry time to get off and then I'll turn 650AM on again and see whose on. If it's still a mess or a group without a steel, then hey, I just push the CD button and on comes real music or should I say "Steel Guitar Music" at its best. |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 3:29 am
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Here is the Jimmy Peppers "No More Hanks" (BMI), MP3 It is comment on the current state of the Opry.
http://www.gulfcoaststeelguitar.com/nmh.mp3 [This message was edited by Jack Stoner on 18 April 2006 at 02:41 PM.] |
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Lee Gillespie
From:
Cheyenne, Wy. USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 3:35 am
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| Lets hear it for Tina McBride's latest CD. I havent purchased a CD in years, But because she had the gumpson to sing all the great tunes of yesterday,and keeping it country, I'm going to buy the CD just to support her. Lee |
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Paul King
From:
Gainesville, Texas, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 3:40 am
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| The Grand Ole Opry should change their name for the shows they have today. It is not "Grand" anymore. What we have in so called country music today is awful. And the church music today has even changed drastically. If you find some good country being played you better listen good cause it is just not going to last too long. Our local radio station plays the country from years ago. I still hear Conway Twitty,Loretta Lynn,Tammy Wynette,Ray Price and many others from several years ago. If they ever change their format I figure there will be nothing close to home to listen to. What a shame. |
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John Coffman
From:
Wharton,Texas USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 3:55 am
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I'm in my early 40's and do agree that the country we once heard has moved from the mainstream. The opry is a business and they give us and there advertizers what they think will sell more product. Most of the products sold on WSM are household staples anyway. I get my googoo's a cracker barrel and Martha whites flour at the local store. I was born 20 years to late. I love the 50 60 and early 70's country and western music. The main reason I took up trying to play the steel is that I am sick of top 40 crap. Thank God I live in South Texas now and can hear Jim Losseburgs Legends show and Austins station that play local artist. Most of the time I engage my CD player with great steel players and keep the TV and radio off. I guess the only way we can be heard is to back our tradtional artist when ever we can. As for the Grand Old Opry I guess that the reason I haven't paid the larger cable bill to get GAC. I just hit record on my computer stream recorder while listening to WSM online then go back later and fast forward throught the stuff I do not like. Keep on steelin
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Wayne D. Clark
From:
Montello Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 5:45 am
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I'm with you John, The Question is "What ever happened to country" The answer is it's out there but you have to look under a "ROCK" to find it. There is a little station out of Portage Wi on the FM side of the dile I can still find some "Country" And NO John your not a Fuddy Duddy you just know the real thing when you hear it.
Wayne
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Wayne D. Clark
From:
Montello Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 5:57 am
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Bobby, Your Right the list could go on, Uncle Dave Maccon, and the Grand Old Judge, and "Letter go boys". Roy A. and his fiddle and his rendition of " The Great Speckled Bird" We were privy Bobby,to and erra of the Opry from the late 30's to I don't know maybe the late 60's that we will never see again, Thanks for the memories of all those that brought us such great entertainment.
Wayne
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Ben Jones
From:
Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 6:16 am
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I thought Elvis ruined country along time ago? 
Pop country is horrible, but in every musical genre there is an equivalent. In rock you got your "nu-metal", just horrible ...but the kids love it (this season..who knows about next). Its always the same, you have TheMonkees and you have Hendrix, you have Hank Jr. dueting with Kid Rock and you have Hank 3 playin the real stuff.
True country will never die, the pop stuff will change its flavor every six months. No one will remember Brookes and whoever in five years, no one will ever forget Hank Sr. ever ever ever......
As for the Opry, I dont know but i suspect they need to sell tickets...and thats that. |
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 9:30 am
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| I'm so glad some of you think the way I do.Bobbe is right,he and I are the same age,I remember as a kid growing up in the 40's living in the country on our little radio listening to either country[they called it hillbilly music back then]OR the big bands such as Glen Miller,the Dorseys,and Old Blue Eyes.I learned to love and appreciate both styles[thats the key word STYLE]When you heard Glenn Miller OR Hank Snow,you knew immediately who you were listening to because every artist had their own instantly recognizable style,no matter if it was country or pop,NOT TODAY.Another thing that is absolutely disgusting is the way these so-called artist of today present themselves to their audience,with their ripped jeans and dirty tanktops.For one I really don't care to see Chesney's hairy arm pits while he's desecration the stage of the Opry.I really don't think you would have seen Old Blue Eyes or Hank Snow do a show looking like a derelict that just crawled out of a dumpster.The [stars] of today have no respect at all for themselves or their fans.The real STARS of country music such as Pee Wee King,Red Foley,George Morgan,Hank Sr.,Hank Snow,Hank Penny,Ernest,Hawkshaw,Lefty,Bill Carlisle,Leon Payne,Autry Inman,Elton Britt,the list could go on and on,it's sad most of these true pioneers have been cast aside and forgotten.We only have a VERY few true of the real deal left[Porter,Little Jimmy,etc.Better appreciate them while you can,when they are gone,nothing left but the ludicrous,absurd,*%$# that going on today.Our only salvation is most of the REAL artist were captured on tape over the years. |
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Gavin Dunn
From:
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 11:37 am
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No, you guys are all just getting old....
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 1:06 pm
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| Maybe your right Gavin,at least us old geezers were fortunate enough to have experienced the great artist of the golden age of music,in all styles.There are so many young people today that have no clue what legitimate music is.As absurd as it is some of these young people actually BELIEVES Big and Rich,or Cowboy Troy are country artist.WHY IS THIS?Because the [MU-SICK] industry pounds it into their minds on GAC and CMT every day.Tell a lie enough and many will think it's the truth. |
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Paul Norman
From:
Washington, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2006 1:32 pm
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When they take Jimmy Day and the fiddles off
Ray Prices Soft Rain and ETC. and replace it with orchestra that is not improving Country
Music. Or advancing it into a modern way.
I am an old fuddy-duddy too. Cut my teeth
with the old ones. |
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