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Topic: Advice needed. Favorite/best Book to learn lap steel? |
Teddy Ray Bullard II
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Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 21 Aug 2022 12:29 am |
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I'm a guitarist, and I mainly play indie(wilco, jayhawks) classic country, and folk. My steel hero is probably Daniel Lanois.
I had a steel 10 years ago but a divorce right after leaving the military left me flat broke so I had to sell it.
Found an identical Rickenbacker with a private seller so I'ma get it.
Any and all advice so much appreciated!
Oh. And suggestions for favorite/best bars would be cool too. Amp is covered. Thank y'all! |
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David DeLoach
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Jim Kaznosky
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New Jersey, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2022 7:13 am
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We're pretty much cut from the same cloth, Teddy. If you want to get some basic sense of stuff, do a month or two at Troy's site below. It got me started and I figured out where to go. You can take a look at some examples of what and how his video series go on youtube.
A lot of material is tuning specific, otherwise I'd recommend some specific material. Nels Cline is playing in open G. Here is Troy teaching in open G: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HfRLQMcI4U
As far as bars, the Pearse stuff available here is fine. For a bit more money, I like the Clinesmith and Hillman bars. |
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Cartwright Thompson
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Colin Swinney
From:
Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2022 11:27 am
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Andy Volk has a number of books, many to choose from so should be easy to find something for you.
https://www.volkmediabooks.com/ |
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Gene Tani
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Pac NW
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Posted 21 Aug 2022 2:05 pm
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It's a fantastic instrument but may take awhile to find comfortable bar (either style) and picks
Anyway, recommend books from Andy Volk, Dewitt Scott and Rob Haines many avail thru Forum store: https://www.steelguitarshopper.com/lap-steel-dobro/
Tons of great vids on YT also as mentioned ...
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Lloyd Walsh
From:
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2022 4:16 pm
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I’m going through the same thing but am ahead of you by a few months. What I’ve discovered is: 1. YouTube tutorials with Troy are fantastic (there are others too), 2. a book with accompanying CD or downloadable tracks (with a publishers code) is essential, and 3. picking out melodies and chord progressions you like, then “playing by ear” is critical.
With all the above I’d strongly recommend deciding what tuning is best for your genre. Between Indie and classic country I’m not certain what to recommend; however asking how many strings on your forthcoming Ric are there may be helpful in recommendations (congratulations, I’m a Ric fan too).
For me learning began by drawing out my own diagrams of scales and chords, starting with open G on a six stringer, later I picked up a second steel for C6 tuning, and not long after that I decided 8 strings was more for me. Sadly life and work expectations piled up on me this summer and i haven’t played regularly since mid June (total bummer summer!).
Anyway, as already recommended Andy’s books are fantastic. For classic country the Don Helms E13 book “Your Cheatin’ Heart” has been very helpful, it inspired my switch to 8 strings (but you can still use 6 strings to learn it). As for bars i like the Jerry Byrd Dunlop bar (all the above recommendations can be purchased here in the online forum, I get no kickback!).
Best of luck!
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Bass player: upright/electric
Lousy Guitarist
Rookie Steel player (pedal and non-pedal)
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
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Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 21 Aug 2022 8:25 pm
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Thank y'all so much!
So I've seen the "cylindrical" bars and the shubb-pearse thing that is squared at the top. What is each type used for/why? |
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David DeLoach
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Jim Kaznosky
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2022 6:11 am
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I enjoyed these videos. There's a fair amount of material that is useful here. |
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Joel Monson
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2022 9:11 am Walkin' After Midnight, arr: Doug Beaumier
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Doug Beaumier has some great arrangements in his 3 books. Very good backing tracks also. Other good basic books are "BASIC C6TH NONPEDAL LAP STEEL METHOD" BY Dewitt Scott (Scottie), and Troy's video lessons. Cindy Cashdollar has some great video lessons, and John Ehly has a website with a lot of good advice. Many others on YouTube are worth searching out. Here is my recording of Walkin' After Midnight, arranged by Doug Beaumier and my background licks included.
WWW.joelmonson.bandcamp.com |
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Lloyd Graves
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2022 11:17 am
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| Teddy Ray Bullard II wrote: |
Thank y'all so much!
So I've seen the "cylindrical" bars and the shubb-pearse thing that is squared at the top. What is each type used for/why? |
The cylindrical bars are bullet bars. They let you get different chords when forward slanting by hitting the same feet on the two higher strings and the feet below on the lower string. I'm on a phone now though and cannot give an example.
They are harder to hold onto but if you get it, it opens up a new "trick" for you.
My first steel came with a WAY too large, pedal steel bar. Once I got the right size, it made life a LOT easier!
Last edited by Lloyd Graves on 22 Aug 2022 1:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 22 Aug 2022 11:24 am
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| So I've seen the "cylindrical" bars and the shubb-pearse thing that is squared at the top. What is each type used for/why? |
They are used for two different types of music and two different approaches. The Shubb bar has a sharp end in order to snap pull off and hit fast hammer-ons used in Bluegrass primarily, or any fast single note work. the problem is it makes moving ACROSS the neck very hard and the end of your bar will need to be slightly lifted as you move north and south on the neck.
The bullet bar is more difficult to pick up, often much heavier for better tone, but is very easy to move across the neck because of the rounded tip. It is used in primarily in country, jazz, and things that are more chordal based. |
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Lloyd Walsh
From:
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2022 2:18 pm
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I started lap steel with a Shubb-like bar, after a month switched to the Jerry Byrd 7/8”
cylinder and didn’t look back. I’ll be on the hunt for a Resonator and Weissenborn soon and more than likely use the Shubb bar for those.
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Hack Professor of Art
Bass player: upright/electric
Lousy Guitarist
Rookie Steel player (pedal and non-pedal)
Instagram Artwork profile: lloydwalsh7405 |
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