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Topic: E9th Compensators |
Wade Romonosky
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 8 Jul 2021 7:39 am |
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I was wondering who uses compensators on the E9th neck and where you place them. The first person I heard of using them was Maurice Anderson.
Wade
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Greg Gefell
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Upstate NY
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Posted 9 Jul 2021 11:45 am
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I only have one on string 7 when I use the A pedal. It flattens it just a hair to so the F# is a little sweeter with AB pedals down for a minor chord. Never found the need to do any others.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 9 Jul 2021 12:08 pm
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I have it on the C pedal as well for the same reason.
I assume we are talking about compensation for temperament, not the contraptions for coping with iffy returns.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 9 Jul 2021 1:59 pm
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I've never used them or saw the need for them. Apparently my hearing isn't accurate enough to feel a need for them.
If something doesn't sound right usually bar compensation takes care of it. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 9 Jul 2021 3:40 pm
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Jack's right of course, but I'm lazy and would rather have the machine do it for me! 
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Wade Romonosky
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 9 Jul 2021 6:56 pm
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I am talking about compensation for temperament. I was thinking of using one on the 7th string to give me a major chord with the E to Eb lever. I can't cheat it with the bar and lower a 7 while 5 and 8 are in tune.
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Dave Meis
From:
Olympic Peninsula, Washington, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2021 10:15 am
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| I comp the 6th string 🔼 on the A pedal. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 10 Jul 2021 11:02 am
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Wade, that's exactly why it's useful, and for someone like me who plays B6 universal, it's essential.
Dave, I don't quite understand why you would need to alter string 6. Is it something to do with the minor chord with A alone?
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Dave Meis
From:
Olympic Peninsula, Washington, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2021 1:22 pm
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@ Ian: minors and 6th's. Slightly too much cabinet drop.. don't notice it on a gig, but practicing alone I can hear it. Easy fix, so...
The 6th string open 3rd tone is already comped flat, and the A pedal alone lowers it more by cab drop making it noticeable on a 6th chord. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 10 Jul 2021 1:51 pm
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I thought it might be something like that. I've heard people say that they don't need to compensate 7 because the cabinet does it for them! I seem to be blessed with guitars that don't cave too much.
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2021 5:24 pm
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Dave, I totally agree. The I's and IV's and the I's and V's- (same intervals)- got to be perfect. And that, of course, is what you have with the A pedal down and the 6th string. RP
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 11 Jul 2021 6:13 pm
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I have lower return compensators on all my strings that both raise and lower, both necks, and also tuning comps on strings 1 and 7 on e9th. I do a lot of session work, and there is just no room for anything being even slightly out for me !
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2021 10:07 am
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This might be a good time to point out to the casual viewer that there are different types of compensators.
* Tuning compensator: slightly tweaks the pitch of certain strings when you step on a pedal.
Commonly used to lower one or both F# strings (by maybe just 10 or 15 cents) when you go to the pedals-down world. Very helpful for those who tune to JI (or Newman or something that's not ET) since in those tuning systems, the F# string wants be at one target in pedals-up, but a much flatter target note in pedals-down. The compensator gives you the best of both worlds.
* Return compensator: helps notes return true to the target pitch after a raise or lower.
* There are also counterforce mechanisms offered on a few brands of guitars that keep strings from being affected by cabinet drop.
Out in Steel-land, many people have tuning compensators (and it's dead easy to add one... it's just another pull like any other change). Far fewer have return compensators and very few have a guitar offered with a factory counterforce mechanism. |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2021 8:23 pm
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Well said TuckerðŸ‘
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