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Topic: Duesenberg Fairytale |
Brooks Montgomery
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Idaho, USA
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Posted 16 Aug 2020 6:51 pm |
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I asked this once before and no one answered, so I’ll ask again:
Why are there rollers on the Fairytale nut?
My experience is that the Fairytale is a string breaker (on strings 2 & 3) and the rollers do absolutely nothing.
Anyone?
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Don Barnhill
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California, USA
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Posted 16 Aug 2020 11:48 pm
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Possibly to relieve string binding at the nut and if possible return to pitch. Just a guess.
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Larry Carlson
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Posted 17 Aug 2020 4:19 am
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I have a Fairytale and I agree with Don.
I think they are they to insure a smooth transition
when a lever is pressed and released.
It would also reduce stress and wear on the string at the nut.
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Brooks Montgomery
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Idaho, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2020 5:23 am
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That would make sense if there was no capo. But the capo needs to be tightened locking the strings—even in the open position.
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Don Barnhill
From:
California, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2020 10:45 am
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Maybe they’re designed that way because of the capo.
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Rick Barnhart
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2020 10:57 am
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If I’m not mistaken, Tom Pettingill found a fix for broken strings on Duzy benders. I tried to find the thread where he described it, but I couldn’t find it. Maybe someone can look it up and reference it here.
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Don Barnhill
From:
California, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2020 11:19 am
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It was adding the brass barrel from a used string slipped onto the string prior to installing.
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Brooks Montgomery
From:
Idaho, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2020 11:33 am
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| Don Barnhill wrote: |
| Maybe they’re designed that way because of the capo. |
From what I can tell, the rollers do nothing because the capo clamps down on the strings (and they usually break at the capo as a result).
I would take the capo off, but then the fretting is all off.
The only fix I can think of is to put a roller nut ...in front of the roller nut. Which is, of course, absurd, for such an expensive instrument.
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Jeff Highland
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 17 Aug 2020 1:19 pm
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Maybe don't tighten the capo as much. I haven't had a problem with string breakage there
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Duesenberg Fairytale
1949 Supro Supreme
1950 National New Yorker
2008 Highland Baritone Weissenborn
2020 Highland New Yorker.
2020 Highland Mohan Veena
2021 Highland Weissencone |
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Carl McLaughlin
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St.Stephen,New Brunswick,Can
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Posted 31 Aug 2020 12:48 pm String Breakage
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I had a Duesenberg installed on one of my laps ,and was always breaking a string,after much investigation ,i discovered that where the string is wrapped around the ball end made the string too stiff to bend around the shaft of the bender which caused the pitch change.I found that installing TWO ball end over the string before installation cured the problem.I had the guitar made by Tom Pettingill and after discussing my string breakage problem ,i told him of my cure,ONE ball end doesnt fix,you need TWO.
HAPPY STEELING
Carl
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Don Barnhill
From:
California, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2020 1:30 am
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Good tip. Thanks Carl!
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Brooks Montgomery
From:
Idaho, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2020 7:09 am
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Carl, that’s good info, thanks.
I’m assuming though that you did not have installed the-always-necessary capo on your guitar. So you’ve solved breaks at the bridge, but there is still this mystery of the non-functioning roller nut (that has caused breaks at the capo end).
I’ll certainly use the double ball-end trick on mine.
Duesenberg in Germany did write me back on my question re: string breakage.
They wrote:
“ If you find out that the strings break just before their ball ends, a trick we read in a steeler forum will help: Simply thread two ball ends of old strings onto the new string and place them directly in front of the ball end of the new string. This makes the string path a bit longer and the strings seem less vulnerable. â€
Interesting work around for a $2500 lap steel.
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Jack Hanson
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Posted 1 Sep 2020 7:49 am
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| Brooks Montgomery wrote: |
| Interesting work around for a $2500 lap steel. |
For that amount of cash, think of all the wonderful classic vintage lap steels you could purchase. |
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Carl McLaughlin
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St.Stephen,New Brunswick,Can
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Posted 1 Sep 2020 9:01 am Dusenberg string breakage.
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As said,you would think for the price ,they would have a better system.The breakage at the bridge could be cured by remanufacturing the arms that hold the string ball end,make it longer so the wrapped part of the string would be away from the shaft.Most of their problems could be fixed with a little R&R and suggestions from owners.Just my 2 cents .
CARL 
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2020 9:21 am
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You can always tell a German but you can't tell them much. 
Erv |
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Brooks Montgomery
From:
Idaho, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2020 12:52 pm
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| Jack Hanson wrote: |
| Brooks Montgomery wrote: |
| Interesting work around for a $2500 lap steel. |
For that amount of cash, think of all the wonderful classic vintage lap steels you could purchase. |
yep
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