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Topic: Here's That Rainy Day |
Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Alan Cannell
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United Kingdom
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Posted 21 Aug 2020 11:52 pm |
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Excellent in every way Dale , just shows how versatile the E9 can be in the hands of such a gifted performer. Is it too much to ask for the tab  |
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Paul King
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Gainesville, Texas, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 2:11 am
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| Dale your playing is so unique. I love your thinking and all of the different ways you play a song. Thank you for posting this one sir. |
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Larry Dering
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Missouri, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 4:23 am
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| That was soooo good. I can't help but feel moved by this melody. What a fantastic job. Thanks Dale. |
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 7:27 am
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| Alan Cannell wrote: |
| Excellent in every way Dale , just shows how versatile the E9 can be in the hands of such a gifted performer. Is it too much to ask for the tab |
Thanks so much Alan... If I had Tab for this I'd be happy to give it to you. I just never write stuff out. It would take me longer to write out than to figure out what I want to play and that takes way too long LOL. If there are sections of this you're having difficulty with please PM me and I'll be happy to try and walk you through it.
| Paul King wrote: |
| Dale your playing is so unique. I love your thinking and all of the different ways you play a song. Thank you for posting this one sir. |
Thank you Paul... You're too kind. I never know if what I'm playing is musically correct or not, I just try to fit in what I hear in my head.
| Larry Dering wrote: |
| That was soooo good. I can't help but feel moved by this melody. What a fantastic job. Thanks Dale. |
Thanks Larry, glad you liked it. It's a beautiful melody isn't it. When I first heard Jody Cameron play it, it took me forever to get it stuck in my head, but she's stuck there now 
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*2021 MSA Legend, "Jolly Rancher" D10 10x9
*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
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http://rittenberrysteelguitars.com
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Rene Brosseau
From:
Chatham,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 7:32 am E9th
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All this time I was thinking you could only get these sounds from the C6th ! Beautiful! I better get doin' some homework...
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Dan Beller-McKenna
From:
Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 8:29 am
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 9:09 am
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Love it - one of my favourite tunes.
Somewhere there's a video of Jody Cameron doing a slightly more up-tempo version, also on E9, which proves that there's not much you can't do in that tuning.
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Jesse Cunningham
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 9:20 am
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| Sounds Great!! What a pretty guitar. |
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 9:32 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
Love it - one of my favourite tunes.
Somewhere there's a video of Jody Cameron doing a slightly more up-tempo version, also on E9, which proves that there's not much you can't do in that tuning. |
Yes there is... When I first learned this song a couple years ago, I watched Jody play this a lot cause I was having trouble getting the structure of it in my head... And being how Jody is one of my favorite player AND people, it's always an education watching him play... I agree, E9th possibilities I think are pretty limitless... Just grab that 9th string and hold on... without that string I couldn't play.
| Jesse Cunningham wrote: |
| Sounds Great!! What a pretty guitar. |
Thanks Jesse... to date, I think this is the prettiest guitar that I've ever had, but wait for the next one
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Dale Rottacker, Steelinatune™
https://www.youtube.com/@steelinatune
*2021 MSA Legend, "Jolly Rancher" D10 10x9
*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
https://msapedalsteels.com
http://rittenberrysteelguitars.com
https://www.telonics.com/index.php
https://www.p2pamps.com
https://www.quilterlabs.com |
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Jim Mckay
From:
New Zealand
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 11:15 am
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Man I wish I could do that stuff, guess I need pedals. 
That's beautiful.
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 2:35 pm
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Dale, I figured the D string must be important - thanks for confirming 
I really must make time to figure this tune out. I've arranged it for brass so I'm acquainted with its nuts and bolts; but the steel is a different challenge!
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2020 4:25 pm
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| Jim Mckay wrote: |
Man I wish I could do that stuff, guess I need pedals.
That's beautiful. |
Thank you... I know I sure need them Jim... Thanks
| Ian Rae wrote: |
Dale, I figured the D string must be important - thanks for confirming
I really must make time to figure this tune out. I've arranged it for brass so I'm acquainted with its nuts and bolts; but the steel is a different challenge! |
That was the hardest thing for me, getting the nuts n bolts of it in my head... That 9th to me is critical... I use it like a root much of the time... with open tuning, it gives you a Dom 7th, lowered a half a 6th and lowered a half more as I also occasionally do a #5 and raised a half a Maj 7th... Look at me talking theory which I know little about, but when I use this string with a 9865 or even 975 grip, its like you folks might say, Brilliant I hear so many guys that play mostly traditional Country which I do as well, talk about not using that string, except perhaps in a Dom 7th way, and to me their missing a lot of music by not incorporating it.
| Fred Justice wrote: |
Great job Dale.
Could you please send me your personal email address.
azpedalman@gmail.com
Thanks buddy. |
Thank you Fred... I'll email you
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https://www.youtube.com/@steelinatune
*2021 MSA Legend, "Jolly Rancher" D10 10x9
*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
https://msapedalsteels.com
http://rittenberrysteelguitars.com
https://www.telonics.com/index.php
https://www.p2pamps.com
https://www.quilterlabs.com |
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David Mitchell
From:
Tyler, Texas
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Posted 23 Aug 2020 12:00 am
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| Totally awesome as always! You've been a favorite steel picker of mine for a long time and never cease to amaze me. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 23 Aug 2020 3:44 am
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The D string deserves a topic of its own!
I've got to the stage in my playing where I'm beginning to look at root strings other than the obvious ones. With the D as a root and the B pedal down, you have a kind of D6 tuning which the listener might easily mistake for the rear neck.
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Steve Cattermole
From:
California, USA
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Posted 24 Aug 2020 10:06 am
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| Very nice job Dale,I always enjoy your playing.Nice C6 sounds on the E9 neck, Gotta love it Catt |
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Bill Sutton
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Posted 25 Aug 2020 6:12 am
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| Dale my Friend...you Nailed it. A very good job...Love your tone and touch...And your Guitar is beautiful. Take care. |
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 25 Aug 2020 6:33 am
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| David Mitchell wrote: |
| Totally awesome as always! You've been a favorite steel picker of mine for a long time and never cease to amaze me. |
Thanks David, always appreciate your comments... I've been trying to play a little more, and with a little more purpose.
| Ian Rae wrote: |
The D string deserves a topic of its own!
I've got to the stage in my playing where I'm beginning to look at root strings other than the obvious ones. With the D as a root and the B pedal down, you have a kind of D6 tuning which the listener might easily mistake for the rear neck. |
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised just how cool that string is... I lower it both a half and a whole as well as raise it a half and actually lower it a half in a couple different spots... on RKR I lower it along with raising 7 a whole and lowering 10 a whole while lowering 2 a half/whole... on what will be 0 pedal left of my current 0 pedal I lower both 9 & 6, something both Randy Beavers and Travis Toy do... I'm also lowering it a whole in conjunction with lowering 6 a whole on my Vertical and on RKL I'm raising it a half while raising 7 a whole and also the 1,2 raise... I REALLY love that string LOL
| Steve Cattermole wrote: |
| Very nice job Dale,I always enjoy your playing.Nice C6 sounds on the E9 neck, Gotta love it Catt |
Thanks so much Steve, its amazing how much stuff is there to discover... I don't think I've even scratched the surface.
| Bill Sutton wrote: |
| Dale my Friend...you Nailed it. A very good job...Love your tone and touch...And your Guitar is beautiful. Take care. |
Bill my Friend, thanks so much... From the first time I heard you play this I've been inspired... Everything you play leaves me shaking my head at how great you play... ALWAYS a Fan as well as a Friend
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Dale Rottacker, Steelinatune™
https://www.youtube.com/@steelinatune
*2021 MSA Legend, "Jolly Rancher" D10 10x9
*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
https://msapedalsteels.com
http://rittenberrysteelguitars.com
https://www.telonics.com/index.php
https://www.p2pamps.com
https://www.quilterlabs.com |
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Mark McCornack
From:
California, USA
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Posted 25 Aug 2020 10:39 am
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Brilliant, I was especially impressed with how you changed between the MSA and the Rittenberry mid-stream at 1:20; and 1:55! You could hardly hear the switch 
Smart-ass comment aside, that was really brilliant! I’m a big fan of playing this type of material on the E9 neck, and it’s an inspiration to hear it done so well. This is not some E9 “compromise“ to the “C6 sound†you hear sometimes bantered about. The Real Deal! More proof of the versatility of this neck. And, as you say, that 9th string D is really crucial. It’s there for a reason.
I know you haven’t tabbed this, but I was wondering if you could share your copedent  That would be delightful if you could. I think above you referred to a 9th string D drop not only to C#, but also to C natural? Anyway, I’d love to know what copedent setup is working so well for you.
Thank you again for posting this.
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Ron Funk
From:
Ballwin, Missouri
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Posted 25 Aug 2020 11:29 am
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Vunderfull
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 25 Aug 2020 1:25 pm
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| Mark McCornack wrote: |
Brilliant, I was especially impressed with how you changed between the MSA and the Rittenberry mid-stream at 1:20; and 1:55! You could hardly hear the switch
Smart-ass comment aside, that was really brilliant! I’m a big fan of playing this type of material on the E9 neck, and it’s an inspiration to hear it done so well. This is not some E9 “compromise“ to the “C6 sound†you hear sometimes bantered about. The Real Deal! More proof of the versatility of this neck. And, as you say, that 9th string D is really crucial. It’s there for a reason.
I know you haven’t tabbed this, but I was wondering if you could share your copedent That would be delightful if you could. I think above you referred to a 9th string D drop not only to C#, but also to C natural? Anyway, I’d love to know what copedent setup is working so well for you.
Thank you again for posting this.
Tanks Ron
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That was very kind Mark... the copedent shown here is NOT the way either of these guitars was set up, but except for the RKL shown here... I used it all, but the placement was different... I should add too that on that very last chord I was lowering 9 and 6 a whole and then also lowering 5 a whole... I don't show that change here, but IF I add it I'll have to share it with pedal 5 on the C6th neck, and with this new set up I'm not sure that will work.... On my current MSA I retuned the 9 6 whole lower on LKR which naturally put my foot directly over my 5th pedal where I lowered 5 a whole.
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https://www.youtube.com/@steelinatune
*2021 MSA Legend, "Jolly Rancher" D10 10x9
*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
https://msapedalsteels.com
http://rittenberrysteelguitars.com
https://www.telonics.com/index.php
https://www.p2pamps.com
https://www.quilterlabs.com |
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Mark McCornack
From:
California, USA
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Posted 25 Aug 2020 4:33 pm
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Hey, that’s just great. Thanks so much!
We have many similarities in our setups, however my guitar is just a 4x5 so I’m missing a couple of actuators you have. I really like that change on the D (string 9) 1/2 step drop is also taking string 10 a step down to A. Lots of folks have the drop on 9 (along with string 2 half and whole drop here) but don’t bother changing the 10th string with it. I find that super useful. Here’s something I posted a couple months back, and this uses that 10th string drop a fair bit.
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=358772
Also, (coincidentally on LKV) I have my string 6 doing a full step drop, but that’s all. I think I going to try and couple it as you have with the full step drop of string 9 from D to C and see how that works out for me. Thanks again for all the great ideas!
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2020 7:12 am
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| Mark McCornack wrote: |
Hey, that’s just great. Thanks so much!
We have many similarities in our setups, however my guitar is just a 4x5 so I’m missing a couple of actuators you have. I really like that change on the D (string 9) 1/2 step drop is also taking string 10 a step down to A. Lots of folks have the drop on 9 (along with string 2 half and whole drop here) but don’t bother changing the 10th string with it. I find that super useful. Here’s something I posted a couple months back, and this uses that 10th string drop a fair bit.
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=358772
Also, (coincidentally on LKV) I have my string 6 doing a full step drop, but that’s all. I think I going to try and couple it as you have with the full step drop of string 9 from D to C and see how that works out for me. Thanks again for all the great ideas!
Mark |
WOW Mark, thanks for including your recording... I missed that when you posted it, but that's incredible... Great playing... Beautiful!!!
I believe that 10th string to A is also a Randy thing, at least I've heard him talk about ... I've gone back and forth a bit with that one as sometimes I don't want that A... I can split it with A, but I'm getting to the point with all of this that I may have trouble getting a good split with the Bb... the same issue you can have with lowering 6 both a half and a whole except that you rarely would want to split the half lower with B, Although haha... I'll let Mitchell and Gary figure that stuff out... I have a sneaking hunch this may be a bit of a pain for them cause I know I may be asking a bit much.
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https://www.youtube.com/@steelinatune
*2021 MSA Legend, "Jolly Rancher" D10 10x9
*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
https://msapedalsteels.com
http://rittenberrysteelguitars.com
https://www.telonics.com/index.php
https://www.p2pamps.com
https://www.quilterlabs.com |
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