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Topic: How to position the pedals for C6th |
Marty Broussard
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 11:50 am |
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on Jeff's Uni tuning he moved the 8th pedal next to number 5 and eliminated pedal 4. If I moved pedal 8:
- do I leave pedal 4 in its original position?
- overall, what are the pros/cons of moving pedal 8
If this has been discussed please point me to the link(s)
Thanks
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Markus Mayerhofer
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 12:08 pm
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| I too changed P4 and P8. I don't regret that change, it works great. P8 is cool in conjunction with P5, and if you engage both, you get a nice 6th chord, so i guess, nothing should be between them. |
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John Swain
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 1:51 pm
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| Marty, there's some nice voicings using pedal 7 with p8. Off hand, a four over five chord two fret below the open position. Unless you're playing "Hold it" every night I wouldn't move the original order. JYO..JS |
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Ian Rae
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 2:19 pm
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My D10 has P8 in the 4th position next to P5, and yes the A6 chord is useful but I have to double foot P7/P8. (P4 was at the extreme right but I didn't use it much so I changed it to give the 3rd string half-step raise.)
On my uni, P8 is in the traditional place and to get a quick and dirty 6th chord I raise just string 9 (equivalent to C6 string 7) on the vertical.
There's plenty to be said for each. You could try tossing a coin.
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Paddy Long
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 2:30 pm
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Marty I play a D10 but have the BooWah pedal as my first C6th pedal .... because I have the Franklin stuff on pedal 4 I didn't want to load that pedal up anymore so I shifted my whole C6th setup one step to the right (9 pedals) .. as mentioned the BooWah and pedal 5 work great together and in close association so I think it's a more logical place to have it.
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 4:19 pm
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate the different perspectives provided.
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 6:33 pm
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One other thing on a Uni setup, if you've eliminated 4 and put the new order as 8-5-6-7, your main foot position hovers over 5 & 6, and pedal 8 makes a little "separator state" space if you think separately about E9 and B6 pedaling.
I know this seems to go against the grain of the "one big tuning" philosophy, but it seems to work well for me, for keeping my place among the pedals.
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Ian Rae
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 1:38 am
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On the other hand...
Most C6 players tune the 1st string down to D and have a half-step raise on string 3 (usually on a lever) to recover the "lost chord" 3 frets up with P5. I have nowhere on my uni for this raise as a separate change, but I do play Day. So I have A and 5 next to each other, and with those two pedals and the LKV I have that voicing very conveniently.
A uni definitely works better with a Day setup, as the C pedal is parked out of the way until you want it.
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 5:01 am
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Ian, I noticed that very thing.
The luxury of having the Excel guitar to experiment with is the number of Raises/Lowers available so I can still have pedal 4 and all the knee levers; it's just a matter of deciding the optimum placement.
Thanks again for everyone's perspectives. I really do appreciate them.
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Drew Pierce
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 12:58 pm
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I've had pedal 8 (the "BooWah" pedal) in P4 for many years. Just swapped P4 and P8. I used the BooWah pedal way more often than the standard P4, so it made sense to have it closer to my left foot. I haven't found a downside.
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John McClung
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Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 1:36 pm
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On my old MSA D12 10+10, I moved the boo wah pedal next to pedal 4, made sense on paper, but the reality of all the pedals moved to the right one position proved too difficult to get double pedals on that right end, and rocking was very difficult, so I returned everything to normal. Think through the ergonomics carefully, Marty.
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Drew Pierce
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Arkansas, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 3:00 pm
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| John McClung wrote: |
| On my old MSA D12 10+10, I moved the boo wah pedal next to pedal 4, made sense on paper, but the reality of all the pedals moved to the right one position proved too difficult to get double pedals on that right end, and rocking was very difficult, so I returned everything to normal. Think through the ergonomics carefully, Marty. |
To be clear, on my D10 C6 I only swapped pedals 4 and 8. Pedals 5-7 remain in their original, standard Emmons positions. I use 5 and 6 more than any other pedals on C6 and definitely wouldn't want them moved from where they are.
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 4:22 pm
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John and Drew, what if pedal 8 were placed between 4 & 5?
Thanks for ur comments!!
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Drew Pierce
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 7:03 pm
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| Marty Broussard wrote: |
John and Drew, what if pedal 8 were placed between 4 & 5?
Thanks for ur comments!! |
That would necissarily move 5-7 to the right of their "standard" Emmons positions, which I wouldn't like. Maybe I should, but I just don't use P4 (raising As to B) that often, which is why I put it on the far end.
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Bill Cunningham
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Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 8:00 pm
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I have had pedal 8 on LKL for over 25 years. I got this from Atlanta legend Mac Atheson. Paul Franklin has this on his setup that is published on the forum though it is dated 1997. It is very fast. The down side is I can never set in on anybody else's guitar.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 14 Jan 2016 1:48 am
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That's interesting, Bill. I find that I seldom use the full A chord but mostly use P8 just to get the C->C# on string 7 for use with the strings above.
So on my uni 12 I put that change (string 9 B->B#) on the LKV together with the 5th string lower to A#. Because I have P6 on RKR and P5 & 7 together, I can play most things without moving.
I'm happy to bite the bullet and use both feet, but it doesn't stop me looking for shortcuts 
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2016 5:10 am
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Ian, based upon ur comments you gave me another perspective to explore, how to set-up my C6th copedant wherein I could minimize "double-footing" while playing. I think it's cool when other folks do it but it IS another technique to master to get on/off the volume pedal with finesse.
Maybe I should start another thread about that...??
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Ian Rae
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Posted 14 Jan 2016 9:26 am
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No, Marty, you shouldn't. Buddy Emmons used his right foot on 7 & 8 and in my view that should be the reference point for whatever experiments the rest us get up to. And whatever we come up with, there will always a point at which we have to double-foot - you can't have every pedal next to every other or everything on a lever. So getting off and on the volume will always be a basic requirement for C6 playing. IMHO.
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2016 9:57 am
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Okay folks, next question, where do you think is the best location to place the change that is opposite of the normal 6th pedal change? I just played a friend 's guitar with that change located where Pedale #4 normally would be.
Where do all of you experienced 6th players have it?
Thank you!!!
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2016 10:18 am
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First of all, I think that the standard line arrangement of the C6th pedals P5 through P8 is brilliant. Every time I've tried to change it, I realized the folly of my ways. I don't have P4, though, and have never felt the need for it.
| Marty Broussard wrote: |
Okay folks, next question, where do you think is the best location to place the change that is opposite of the normal 6th pedal change? I just played a friend 's guitar with that change located where Pedale#4 normally would be.
Where do all of you experienced 6th players have it?
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I raise both E's to F on P4, but I could just as easily lower the high E to Eb since P6 gives me the F. I just haven't ever felt the need for the 2nd string Eb, and I like the high F6th chord with the root on top (1st string is D).
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 18 Sep 2016 2:05 pm
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| I went with Buck Reid's 4th pedal, 2 to Eb,6 to F,10 to D. |
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2016 4:07 pm
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Bob & John, thank you both for your quick and insightful responses. I sincerely appreciate the help.
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Paddy Long
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Posted 18 Sep 2016 4:13 pm
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Marty I presume you mean Lowering string 2 E to Eb and raising string 6 E to F .... I have that on a knee lever, never tried it on another pedal.
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2016 5:45 pm
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Paddy you are correct. Which lever do you have it on?
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 19 Sep 2016 6:41 pm
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LKL on my C6th cluster
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