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Topic: MSA guys, I don't recall how I fixed this problem |
Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 9:09 am |
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OK, so I'm dropping 6 a whole tone and it moves fine splitting with the B pedal, I have my G. But without the B pedal, the raise finger comes along for the ride and I don't recall how I fixed the problem and I'm hoping to deliver it today. GRRRR.
Also, does anyone recall what Allen wrench adjusts pedal travel? I have one that moves WAY more than it needs.
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 9:42 am Re: MSA guys, I don't recall how I fixed this problem
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
OK, so I'm dropping 6 a whole tone and it moves fine splitting with the B pedal, I have my G. But without the B pedal, the raise finger comes along for the ride and I don't recall how I fixed the problem and I'm hoping to deliver it today. GRRRR.
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Something's binding. That leaves what... changer fingers rubbing, rods lashing, bellcrank and rods interacting...
Er, is this a split? I don't know those/have one of those.
Any "gizmos"? Probably not, for a lower. Hole alignment might be a problem ( they float free and on mine I had to drill the holes out larger )
| Lane Gray wrote: |
Also, does anyone recall what Allen wrench adjusts pedal travel? I have one that moves WAY more than it needs. |
1/16th |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 9:50 am
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Les, I figured out the problem on the 6th string. It's almost impossible to get that drop on a wound. And that's what I have on there.
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Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 9:51 am
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| Isn't that the result of too strong a return spring for the gauge of string? |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 10:11 am
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Yes, but MSA aren't adjustable, unfortunately.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 11:48 am
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Maybe a heavier string, although it will make the B pedal stiffer.
Michael Yahl has adjustable return spring blocks, for a long term fix. |
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Greg Spence
From:
Union, MO
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 12:57 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Les, I figured out the problem on the 6th string. It's almost impossible to get that drop on a wound. And that's what I have on there. |
Lane, I had the same issue on the 6th string. My MSA came to me with a plain (not wound) sixth string. I put a new set of Extended E9th strings on the guitar which came with a 22g wound 6th string and I could not get it to go down a whole step.
Luckily, I had a 20g plain string which I used to replace the 22g wound and all is well now.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 1:30 pm
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Yup, that be a problem with the string guage being too light, or the return spring being too tight. I use a .024 wound on the 6th, and you may have to get a lighter spring for the lower return to work properly.
The allen wrench for the pedal travel is 1/16" |
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 6:39 pm
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Or convert to adjustable return springs as I do all of my Classics. I don't have any pics, but on some of the earlier changers, I modified the changer fingers to allow more travel for the lowers.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 6:52 pm
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Darvin, when I get it back, I may well do that.
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Mitchell Smithey
From:
Dallas, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 7:49 pm
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| Lane, make sure that you are in the last lower hole. You need to get it as far from the rivet in the scissor as you can. The lower scissor can only move so much before it pulls the raise scissor also. |
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Russ Wever
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Kansas City
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Posted 22 Sep 2014 8:53 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Yes, but MSA aren't adjustable, unfortunately. |
In this case they don't need to be . .
Sounds like the raise 'blade' is realizing too much
tension from the return spring. the nylon tuner
(actually, the 'inside end' of the pull-tube) is acting
as the pivot.
Move the lowering rod, nylon tuner & pull-tube to a
hole nearer to the return spring (ie, farther away
from the changer axle and you will lessen the
amount of tension that the raise 'blade' sees.
~Rw
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Last edited by Russ Wever on 25 Sep 2014 9:29 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 23 Sep 2014 3:25 am
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Excellent, Russ. When I get it back, I'll try it. in fact that sounds familiar.
And I'd like to thank Bob Hoffnar for making the ToneAligner. A GREAT match for a lacquer MSA.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Bob Simons
From:
Kansas City, Mo, USA
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Posted 25 Sep 2014 12:50 pm
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WOW Russ! There's a reason why I don't turn my steel guitars over! I always admired brains that could understand how the thing works.
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