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Niels Andrews
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 6:12 am |
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If you were to play this chord, and your copedant didn't offer all four notes, would you give up the third? So basically you would play a sus4? Is their any rule to this ? I notice sometimes players will drop the root? Maybe it is a matter of personal preference? I know when playing it is not a major issue, just curious if there are any rules on extended chords.
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Christopher Woitach
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 6:20 am
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Aadd4 means the 3rd is still present.
If you're playing with a band, the bass player will play the root, so just drop the A
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Lane Gray
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 7:50 am
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Niels, doesn't your guitar have a lower D and/or a half tone lower on 2?
If so, you have it at the nut and at 12 with the AB pedals.
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 8:19 am Thanks Lane
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I see it now, sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees? Damn trees. I do have it, but still pondering the question what if you don't have it, where as a rule of thumb does one compromise?
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Rich Peterson
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Moorhead, MN
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 8:36 am
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| General rule is to omit the root; or the fifth unless it is altered. Leaving out the third creates ambiguity; is the harmony major or minor? But occasionally smooth voice leading will overrule the rule. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 8:52 am
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Agreed. Leave out root and/or 5, those around you got that mess covered.
A lot of modern Praise music likes to use thirdless chords, using notes 1, 5, 9 and occasionally 6 (or13).
Like Rich said, leaving out the third creates ambiguity, but sometimes ambiguity sounds kinda cool. I think the genre overuses it.
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Ulrich Sinn
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 9:21 am
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| Aadd4 means the 3rd is still present. |
Is this a real added 4? Minor second clash between 3 + 4?
Do you have a real world example where that would occur?
Assuming we are talking root position and not about a misnamed inversion.
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Gabriel Stutz
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Chicago, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 9:31 am
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I think you get that with the A pedal and E-F? It's a close voicing, but I like it... strings 8,7,6,5 = 3rd, 4th, 5th, root (I think)....or you could play string 1 instead of 7 if you wanted to open it up a bit. Maybe a better name for the chord would be an add 11 in that case....
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Lane Gray
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 9:52 am
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Ulrich, I don't think I'd play a minor 2nd, but space them for Maj7 or min9th. But writing it "add4" instead of "sus4" I think makes clear that both 3 and 4 should ring.
I agree that the min2nd would be kinda janky.
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Stephen Gambrell
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Posted 23 Jul 2014 10:42 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
Agreed. Leave out root and/or 5, those around you got that mess covered.
A lot of modern Praise music likes to use thirdless chords, using notes 1, 5, 9 and occasionally 6 (or13).
Like Rich said, leaving out the third creates ambiguity, but sometimes ambiguity sounds kinda cool. I think the genre overuses it. |
And the young bluegrassers are doing the same thing, at least with guitars (usually Taylor  )
G chord, low-to-high--G-B-D-G-D-G
C (IV chord) C-E-G-D-G (Omit bottom string)
D (V) E-A-D-A-D-G
Overused? Beyond doubt. |
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 5:58 am Where used?
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I might be droned off these pages as this particular song is from the Pop genre. I am adapting the song from a Piano part. The song is in 12/8 time. The song is Say Something by A Great Big World. The recurring line that utilizes a true add 4 is as follows. 6-,4,1, 5(add4). It is a hauntingly beautiful line used in a simple but very popular tune.
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Rich Peterson
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 8:39 am
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I would tune the second string down to D for the song, since that note drones on throughout the tune. That way you can move the bar freely to the other chords.
Good tune, and there's nothing wrong with playing pop songs on PSG. Don't hear it that much in country anymore. |
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 9:16 am
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Thanks Rich,
I never thought of that. This will also be fun on my Weissenborn. Love this forum, such a wealth of knowledge out there.
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Earnest Bovine
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 10:05 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Ulrich, I don't think I'd play a minor 2nd, but space them for Maj7 or min9th. |
I see "add4" occasionally, and it usually does mean 3 and 4 voiced close. If the composer/arranger had wanted D below C#, he would probably have written something else such as A/D. |
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 10:07 am
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B add4 is on open strings of every 10 string E9 with no pedals:
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Earnest Bovine
From:
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 10:09 am
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C#add4, Aadd4, Eadd4 are also on E9 open strings depending on what pedals you have:
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 10:11 am
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Gadd4 and Aadd4 are open strings on C6, depending on your pedals. The second one uses open D string in the middle which most players don't have:
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Niels Andrews
From:
Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2014 10:48 am
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My main guitar is universal with a modified Zane Beck tuning. This is an interesting chord in that it is a major chord with dissonance. I have found if I play a major chord and delay playing the fourth a nanosecond it makes for a nice or not nice effect. Which in this song is the desired effect. I'm giving up on you.
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Jamie Mitchell
From:
Nashville, TN
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Posted 29 Jul 2014 11:35 am
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[quote="Ulrich Sinn"]
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Do you have a real world example where that would occur? |
I use it all the time...
On guitar, a go-to voicing of D for me would be D, F#, G, D, A on top if you wish. Open G string. |
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