| What Bar For Your 12 String? |
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| Regular 12 String Bar 7/8 |
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| Custom Bar, Please Describe! |
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| Robert Randolph...any Permutation |
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Topic: 12 String Players...Bar Question |
Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 8:22 pm |
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Those of you who play 12 string guitars: What is your bar preference? Diameter, length, brand, material it's made of and maybe your style of music?
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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George Macdonald
From:
Vancouver Island BC Canada
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 9:11 pm Bars
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10 string 15/16th bars with Carter single 12. Both BJS and Zirc bars.
Last edited by George Macdonald on 12 Jan 2012 5:51 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Chris Reesor
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 10:51 pm bars for 12 string
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Main bar is a "Twister" 7/8 double bullet, polished stainless, covers 10 strings. Experimenting with a Shubb SP2 for rock and blues stuff; a little more attack and less sustain.
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 11:57 pm
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I voted regular 12, but its 1", not 7/8" diameter.
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2012 5:32 am
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TriBo Tone reg size
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MSA 12 String E9th/B6th Universal.
Little Walter PF-89.
Bunch of stomp boxes |
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 12 Jan 2012 10:07 am Re: Bars
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10 string 15/16th .... BJS
Micky Byrne U.K. |
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Robbie Daniels
From:
Casper, Wyoming, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2012 10:11 am
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I have about six different bars but the one I use almost exclusively is the BJS custom Hughey. bar designed for 12 string
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Carter D12, MSA S12, 12 String Custom Made Non-Pedal, Evans FET 500LV, Evans SE200, Peavey Nashville 400, Fender Steel King |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Mike Spaeth
From:
Springdale, Arkansas
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Posted 12 Jan 2012 12:05 pm
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Jim Priebe
From:
Queensland, Australia - R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Jan 2012 3:12 pm Custom bar
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I use a 15/16" (Diam) x 3 3/4" polished stainless bar with a 1/2" weight relief hole drilled up the centre on both my 12 Uni and 10 Uni.
This bar changed my playing forever (I prefer think it improved it !! ) as the weight and size suits my (large) hands.
However, as we all differ in hand size somewhat, preferences are bound to vary a lot though.
priebs
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mike nolan
From:
Forest Hills, NY USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2012 7:12 pm
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 13 Jan 2012 2:33 am
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b0b, the RR1 and RR2 are Robert Randolph models made by Shubb.
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2012 8:57 am
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Also b0b, back about 2000 or so, Carter sold a 7/8 stainless steel bar as a RR Model that had cut out grooves in the sides but it really seemed like a regular bar mostly. I had one but sold it. Mr. Randolph has used several different designs over the years. That's why the ...Permutations.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2012 10:07 am
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Ron Wright
From:
Modesto,CA
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Posted 13 Jan 2012 10:19 am
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10 string MSA bar
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MSA S12 Classic XL 5/5
NV 112
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Peavey Special 130
Ovation
Gibson 330
boss DD3,DS-1,TU-2,PS-2,Behringer rotary rm600
Goodrich 120,BoBro,RV2,Hilton Vp, Steeldriver3 |
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Alfred Ewell
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2012 8:19 pm
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| Clete Ritta wrote: |
I voted regular 12, but its 1", not 7/8" diameter.
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Me too. Smaller gives me a cramp. Not because it's an S20, it's just my big hands. Really liking my BJS and Bullet bar, both. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 19 Jan 2012 9:29 am
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I use the regular 7/8" BJS Bar with my garnet birthstone in the tip. I play a BMI and I think the string spacing is closer than a ShoBud or Emmons so the 12 string bar's not necessary.....JH in Va.
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 20 Jan 2012 12:11 am Dunlop
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I use a Jim Dunlop stainless steel tone bar #920, for 10 & 12 strings
3 1/4 x 7/8
Just under 8 oz
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Franklin
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Posted 20 Jan 2012 3:24 am
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Choosing the wrong size bar for the physical size of the hand is problematic....A bar should be chosen to fit the length of the fingers for control and tonal issues. At least that is what I was taught when I started out......
As a rule with very few exceptions, no matter how many strings are on the guitar, short fingers will get the best control with a shorter bar while longer fingers control better using a longer bar......
For the new players, the diameter should be 7/8th's at first. Once a beginner masters the left hands intonation a larger diameter can be used. Although the bigger diameter is used by some and may sound ever so slightly different to their taste, it should be known that it is also slightly more difficult to maintain tuning accuracy because of the additional size. When I desire with a 7/8th's bar, I can accomplish the same tone the larger diameter gives me by adding a little more downward pressure.
To find out which bar works best for my hand size I make a U shape with the thumb and index finger. The bar should sit comfortably by almost or slightly touching the palm area which is the curve or bottom of the U and extending to the tip of the index finger or slightly beyond as is my case to evenly disperse the weight of the bar for tuning and tonal accuracy......when the bar is sized correctly to my hand less side pressure is required to hold the bar. This allows an easier access to move into the positions required to perform forward and backward slants as well as hammer ons... I've seen too many players with long fingers struggling to manipulate a small 10 string bar....
Since Jeff is gone I'm not sure how many future players will have access to this type of information.....When he was with us I never worried about players learning the correct ways to start out playing this difficult instrument..... Jeff was a great instructor. He knew how to communicate firmly about topics, such as this, without crushing a students desire to become an original thinker......with some technical things on every instrument there are definite absolutes that need to be followed to achieve a good end result.
If this comes off as a rant or criticism to anyones personal choice, its not meant to be.
Concerned citizen,
PF
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Jeff Spencer
From:
Queensland, Australia
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Posted 20 Jan 2012 3:37 am
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| Well, There you have it!! Thank you Paul for sharing this great info. |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2012 7:06 pm
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Hey! Thanks for all the replies, guys! Thank you Paul. Much of my learning is rooted in Jeff Newman's video lessons. I really wanted to spend a weekend at his cabin. In fact, I spoke to him on the phone shortly before his accident when ordering "Bandstand Backup". We talked briefly about the nature of the experience...who would lock themselves up with a steel guitar for days...with him  .
Because you and others post what you know, Jeff has not left us. Thank you for bringing him into the thread!!
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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Ron Randall
From:
Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Mar 2014 12:45 pm
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12 string UNI. I use a bar that is 7/8 and is made for 10 string. Fits my hand just fine. I do not try to cover all 12 strings at the same time. I move he bar vertically.
I have tried many bars over a 12 year period. Dunlop, ShoBud, RR bar.
Preferred bar is John Pearse cryogenic stainless steel. It is a solid bar. Has more clarity for me.
Hope this helps.
Ron |
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David Scheidler
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 19 Mar 2014 8:04 pm
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| On my Sho-Bud S-12 I use a 10-string BJS 1" John Hughey model. It's the perfect size and weight for me, plus it adds a lot to the guitar's tone and sustain. |
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