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Topic: Need Opinion, best effects for blues slide on 2Ds Simulator |
Dennis Brown
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Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 5 Jun 2013 1:02 pm |
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Hello all.
I'm trying to find the best effect pedal to create a nice blues slide sound. I'm playing through a PV nasville 400 and using my new 2Ds Simulator.
This will take you to my site to see the guitar.
www.2dsguitars.com
With such a clean amp, I haven't been able to get that sound. Any opinions would be greatful. Don't wish to spend a bunch. Thanks, Dennis |
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 5 Jun 2013 6:14 pm
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Hey, Dennis, there are of course nearly unlimited colors and flavors of overdrive/distortion. For me, it's wanting a David Lindley grind through to a Duane Allman or LeRoy Parnell sustain/ drive. One of my favorites is the Duncan Twin Tube, but it takes up a lot of real estate. For smaller boxes, I like the Mad Professor Golden Cello for over-the-top full on distortion, and a clone of a Hermida Zen Drive for lower-gain overdrive.
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Dennis Brown
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Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 3:46 am 2Ds
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Thanks Mark.
I highly regard your opinion, if anyone one would know, you would. Thats what i'm going to try. Thank you very much Mark. Dennis |
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Peter Jacobs
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Northern Virginia
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 5:04 am
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Hey, Dennis - that's a pretty convincing reso simulation. Very clever! For OD, I mostly use my amp (Goodsell Super17 Mk3), but sometimes I goose it with a Paul Cochrane Timmy (awesome "transparent" overdrive, so it doesn't change the character of your amp's tone) or an MI Audio Blue Boy Deluxe (like a highly tweakable TS9 with more gain).
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Dennis Brown
From:
Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 6:10 am 2Ds
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Thanks Peter.
Enjoyed your site, sounds great. I'll check into
those also. Dennis |
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 8:50 am
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Thanks, Dennis, but overdrive/distortion may be the single area of greatest divergence in personal taste. Many of us keep looking and trying... several times I've thought I had the ultimate sound for me, and found something I liked even better. Various Zen drive clones are available for under $80, that's a fun place to start for medium crunch.
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Peter Jacobs
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Northern Virginia
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 9:39 am
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True dat, Mark -- OD is a big part of a player's sound. I've read a lot of positive reviews of the Zen and heard a bunch of samples, but haven't tried one yet (pedal GAS is easy to lose control of). I really like the Timmy for low to low-mid gain. It has a great eq section.
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Dennis Brown
From:
Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 2:27 pm 2Ds
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| Being a pedal steel player, my only distortion unit is a boss tone. I've tried everything in my box of toys and others but, I haven't found it yet for the 2Ds guitar. You guys are great and full of the good stuff. Thank you. Dennis |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 2:53 pm
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| Hey Mark--I have a Zen Drive and like it a lot but just purely out of curiosity--what clones are out there? Never knew of this. |
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 3:21 pm
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Hmm...'google'? Must be a new thing.
Thanks.  |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2013 4:30 pm
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I'm kind of a fiend for this, I still count Duane Allman as one of the two "poles" I pitch my tent under (D. Bhattacharya the other). After trying all the imaginable things, including plugging a pedal steel into a 50-watt no-master Marshall head into 12" Altec-Lansings, I came to the basic conclusion that a 35 lb. instrument with lots of aluminum is always going to have very different attack characteristics and quite different tonal characteristics than a 9 lb. instrument made largely of wood.
The tonal stuff is actually a bit easier, if you take the view that you want to generate the "right" kind of signal first - attenuate your pickup's volume, play with a glass or other 4 to 6 oz. bar. A very big part of Duane Allman's style, which helps with the attackiness*, is that he hit the notes he wanted as he was moving to them, not when he got there. Then with the cranked tube amp, the notes would often "bloom" or get louder when he got there, without picking it again. That part is, umm, kinda voodoo or something. Joe Walsh plays the exact same way, and of course Derek Trucks. It's like the anti-Johnny Winter style, and he openly derived it from trying to sound like harmonica and sax players - if you you know any sax players as good as King Curtis, go be their best friend for a while. I don't believe there's a specific pedal that will get you to the right gain structure, just... get as nasty as you can for a while. Until it works. 
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Dennis Brown
From:
Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 7 Jun 2013 4:35 am 2Ds
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Hey Mark, there was no hijacking going on, you where very helpful.
Hello David.
I thank you as well for your comments.
I agree with every part of your reply.
The tonal differances between guitar materials is not what i'm trying to overcome. my 2Ds guitar is all aluminum hollowed out to within thirty thousands of a inch at the wide body area. It weighs only 6 pounds. It does have it's own tone that, I like very much. I'm just looking for suggestions that would help lean me towards the blues slide sounds such as Lindley and Allman. I would still be asking for help if it was a wood instrument. It's a clean guitar and the NV400 is a clean amp. Just looking for a tool to help aid in getting the sound I can't get without. Dennis |
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Brad Bechtel
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 7 Jun 2013 6:28 am
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A relatively inexpensive way to get closer to that sound is to try a Boss Blues Driver pedal, or any of the many pedals based on the Ibanez Tube Screamer. You don't have to get a lot of overdrive going, but even a bit makes it sound more like the sound you're seeking.
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 7 Jun 2013 8:40 am
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Even a Digitech Bad Monkey might get you most of the way there, around $20 on ebay. One of the issues is that the TS types generally excel at pushing a tube amp into crunch or overdrive, and with a Solid State amp (I use one as well) it seems like the pedal has to have it's own sound that is then offered up for amplification. That's the appeal of a "miniamp in a box" approach, like the Duncan Twin Tube, BK Butler Tube Driver, Mesa Boogie V-Twin, or similar. They're mostly pretty big, though. A lot of Lindley's playing has been through the infamous Howard Dumble amps, and the Zens are reputed to have similar response and characteristics... but all changes with the amp end. It's an enjoyable search.
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Dennis Brown
From:
Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 7 Jun 2013 8:46 am 2Ds
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Wow...
I have plentiful things to try now. Thanks to all.
Dennis (think'n i'll try the zens first)
Last edited by Dennis Brown on 7 Jun 2013 8:49 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Dennis Brown
From:
Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 7 Jun 2013 8:46 am 2Ds
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| oop's double post |
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