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Topic: Songs that use "The Outlaw Beat"??? |
Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 22 Feb 2013 2:53 pm |
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Serve them more Waylon...
This Time
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Billy Tonnesen
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R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 22 Feb 2013 2:53 pm
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The "Outlaw" beat accentuates the down beat throughout the whole songs, Other Country beats accentuate the after beat and/or a shuffle beat.
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 2:05 am
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| Before Tanya Tucker coined the phrase(Outlaw)as a reference to the music Waylon,David,Travis,etc. did it didn't have a category or a slot as it were,it was music.Why put a label on it?What did you call it before that? |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 3:03 am
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If the drummer doesn't get it after listening to Lonesome, O'nry, and Mean, get you a different drummer. Four on the floor with a strong snare on 2 and 4.
But I agree - just feed 'im more Waylon. Another one of my personal favorites - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNpLSaCirj8 |
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Mark Dershaw
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Arizona and Ohio
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 6:05 am
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| My current band is doing Dierks Bentley's "5150". Good example of the beat being used in modern day country. |
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 8:07 am
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Thanks for the replys.
The guys I was playing with the other night are from a local Bluegrass band called Jackstraw.
They have been very successful and have a strong command of the local gigging scene.
The drummer is excellent, uses brushes, and keeps his volume way down. He simply hasn't played much country. I consider him a gift from God, because I can't handle loud drummers anymore (loud drummers set the volume for entire band and within 3 songs everybody is too loud and the owner is telling the band to turn down and the singer can't hear the monitors, etc, etc, etc...).
The rhythm section from this band, the acoustic strummer, bass player, and drummer, are tired of playing bluegrass shows where everyone just sits there and stares at them.
The are starting up a country band where they can play gigs with full dance floors and Honky Tonk atmosphere.
They have asked myself and my old Tele playin' partner to join with them to make this happen.
They already have several dates booked so it looks like, with my Daughter now turning 10, I'm getting out of the "sub/fill-in" mode I have been in for quite a while, and if all goes well... back into playing gigs/shows/festivals/etc...
They were running a new/original tune up the flagpole the other night, and the bass player was trying to describe the beat he wanted to the drummer.
I said, oh yeah, we used to call the "The Outlaw Beat", hence this post.
I have since forwarded the drummer several examples and his one word response was "Perfect!" with regard to the song we were working on. I haven't played with them since Thurs night, but I would say that, immediately upon hearing LO&M, he got it!!!... so no worries there.
I have no idea why they (not sure who they are) call it the OutLaw beat, but it doesn't seem like it's any different than turning to a drummer at a rehearsal and saying, for example, "Train Beat" or "Waltz", or "Shuffle" I guess.
I had a great time playing with these guys the other night... I didn't need earplugs while we were playing, and my ears weren't ringing when I went to bed that night.
They loved my Steel playing, too!
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 9:24 am
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Sounds like a cool band. I play some with bluegrass-oriented musicians, and they take to classic country music easily, I think because bluegrass IS classic country music of a particular variety.
I agree, loud drums are a problem in a classic country band, no doubt. But I dunno if brushes will sound quite right on this kind of beat - it doesn't have to be loud, but sticks give the solidity that this wants, to my ears anyway. Maybe some light sticks like 7A's, and not real tightly tuned drums. A good drummer should be able to keep the volume in line, but these kinda' outlaw tunes have to rock a bit. Maybe my context is off, but my take, anyway.
I'm in the same boat as you - I need to really put together the band I've been trying to do the last few years. I've been crazy busy on a bunch of other stuff, but it's time. |
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Steve Lipsey
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 10:10 am
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It's great to have you back 'in the life", Pete!
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Jim Pitman
From:
Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 11:46 am
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"Half Time".
Tell your bluegrass drummer to cut it in two. Instead of boom.chick.boom.chick.boom.chick its boom..chick..boom..chick.
"I Don't Think Hank Done It This Way" comes to mind.
I played steel with a bluegrass band for the first half of 2012. One thing that was so enjoyable is these folks worked on harmony vocals. The lead singer was great. What I've found is a good singer often carries the band -takes the pressure off. |
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 12:35 pm
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Thanks, Steve.
Jim, Yes, these guys have been singing together for a long time and are totally "Locked In" on the vocals. It was a pleasure to hear.
Dave, The drummer is originally from a jazz background. I assume he has sticks, but I personally don't requiere sticks for the occasional Outlaw beat number (to my ear it's mostly the kick and the high-hat).
You know the saying...
"Sticks and snares will break my ears, but brushes never hurt me." |
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Bob Blair
From:
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 1:46 pm
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Great news that you are ready to get back in the swing Pete. I'd say that the band has hit the jackpot having you join up with them!
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Storm Rosson
From:
Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 3:46 pm
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Yeah it's what Jim said, it's just broke down to half time, the hi-hat keeps the same time figure but the bass drum and snare are half time. You can dothis in any beat from straight 8th's 2/4 or dotted shuffle ,3/4 any of the basic 4/4 derived beat sigs  |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 23 Feb 2013 4:00 pm
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I've been on the bandstand with great drummers from other genres who were not sure what a "Waylon" beat was so I told them to play a simple disco beat without the high hat ups. It worked perfect for some strange reason....
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Eddie Harper
From:
Fairfield, Ohio
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Posted 24 Feb 2013 1:34 pm Outlaw Beat
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Hi Pete
Glad to hear you're getting back into playin. I heard you along time ago I think in Chattanooga and you did Great then. Eddie |
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Tracy Sheehan
From:
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2013 5:49 pm The so called Waylon beat.
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| The first country song i recall using this beat 6/8 was on the Donna Fargos recording of The Happiest Girl in the whole USA which came out some where around 1970. Give or take a couple of years. Tracy |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2013 1:34 pm
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| I've always heard it called "Half Time" feel. |
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Ron Kirby
From:
Nashville TN
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Posted 28 Feb 2013 2:44 am
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ok
Last edited by Ron Kirby on 28 Feb 2013 4:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Don R Brown
From:
Rochester, New York, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2013 6:07 am
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| Mark Dershaw wrote: |
| My current band is doing Dierks Bentley's "5150". Good example of the beat being used in modern day country. |
If you'll excuse a brief hijack of the thread, can someone explain that number? I'm an old guy and while I know 9-1-1, I'm just unable to figure out what 5150 is. I suppose once it's explained I'll feel dumb for not figuring it out but it won't be the first time - or the last!  |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2013 8:00 am
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| Don R Brown wrote: |
| Mark Dershaw wrote: |
| My current band is doing Dierks Bentley's "5150". Good example of the beat being used in modern day country. |
If you'll excuse a brief hijack of the thread, can someone explain that number? I'm an old guy and while I know 9-1-1, I'm just unable to figure out what 5150 is. I suppose once it's explained I'll feel dumb for not figuring it out but it won't be the first time - or the last! |
From a quick Google search...
5150 may refer to the following: * Section 5150 (Involuntary psychiatric hold), of California's Welfare and Institutions Code *...
5150 means "Police code for crazy person on the loose"
Looks like it's a new way to say, "Let's get crazy". |
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Don R Brown
From:
Rochester, New York, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2013 8:24 am
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Thanks Pete - I should have used Google myself, I DO know how to do that much! Now I know.
That's another example of "I like that song, but it's sure NOT country regardless of what the station playing it tells me". |
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