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Richard Tipple
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Posted 16 Feb 2012 8:07 pm |
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I was wondering from some of you T Racks users,,I wonder why does T Racks include multiple compressors in thier Stand alone packages, such as, T Racks 3 Delux.
Im kind of a novice at mastering music, but would one have multiple compressors in the same chain ?
I mean ,you would not have a compressor going into a compressor, I wouldnt think.
Maybe T Racks gives one the choice of using different compressors.
Guess Im a little lost here 
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Tony Prior
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Posted 18 Feb 2012 3:57 am
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re-phrased..( due to Rons post below)
TYPICALLY ...final 2 track stereo mastering would not involve two compressors at the same time, or 2 Eq's etc, but as written below it appears that many pro's may use this technique...what T Racks3 has done is attempt to emulate some of the finest studio studio processors used, each may offer a different set of criteria and "sound"... The 3Deluxe version offers I believe 9 different racks that you can use in a chain, the S version, has 4, one of each processor. I can tell you this, the presets along with the user flexibility of the 3S is light years beyond what I will ever require ! It's an amazing piece of software... before and after is night and day...
Although each of the processor modules can be used within the DAW session for each track, I use the package in stand-alone mode after the DAW mixed 2 track is as good as I can get it. Then it comes to yet another life...
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Richard Tipple
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Posted 18 Feb 2012 10:26 am
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Thanks Tony, that cleares up a bunch for me.
I am thinking of purchasing the T Racks 3 Deluxe on sale now at MF for $199,,reg $499.
I downloaded a trial version from Tucows last night, but it wouldnt load on my PC, 7. It was DMG.files, only compatible with Mac Pcs.
Wish tucows would have specified this before I downloaded 79 mb  thought it was windows compatible.
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Ronald Ballister
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Posted 18 Feb 2012 3:01 pm
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| Interesting quote from Roger McGuinn about using compressors in series while in the studio during the 60's to get his trademark Ric 12 sound: "He (the engineer) compressed the heck out of my 12-string, and it sounded so great we decided to use two tube compressors [likely Teletronix LA-2As] in series, and then go directly into the board. That's how I got my 'jingle-jangle' tone." |
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Ronald Ballister
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Posted 18 Feb 2012 3:02 pm
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| Interesting quote from Roger McGuinn about using compressors in series while in the studio during the 60's to get his trademark Ric 12 sound: "He (the engineer) compressed the heck out of my 12-string, and it sounded so great we decided to use two tube compressors [likely Teletronix LA-2As] in series, and then go directly into the board. That's how I got my 'jingle-jangle' tone." |
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Tony Prior
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Posted 18 Feb 2012 3:24 pm
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Well Ron brings up a good point , one I did think about after writing above. I suppose you could use 1,2,3, or more of the same processors in series, there is nothing preventing that ! I am thinking that more than likely it's not a common "mastering tool" technique but heck, special effects have been know to become popular . Look what happened with the Pitch Control with that track that Cher did .
I guess if Roger McGuinn did it that puts legitimacy into the equation...
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John Macy
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Posted 18 Feb 2012 3:30 pm
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Actually, multiple compressors are quite common in mastering, as well as recording. My main mastering engineer always uses an analog compressor on the way in, and a digital limiter once inside the software, and sometimes a third somewhere in the chain depending on the program material. In the studio, most stuff is recorded through a compressor on the way in, and usually again during the mixing process. I often use two compressors on a single track--one slower one to take some of the peaks off and then a more aggressive on to pocket it in the track. There is a real art in finding the correct was to use it, especially during the recording process as you cannot undo it...
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Tony Prior
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Posted 19 Feb 2012 2:56 am
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| John Macy wrote: |
| Actually, multiple compressors are quite common in mastering, as well as recording . |
I have always understood that a single track may have multiple processors ( compressors) in the chain but had never heard of multiple compressors in the MASTERING suite..until now ! Well alright, thanks John and Ron...
I'm still not sure what TWO compressors in a mastering chain would do to a pre-mixed stereo track.
The defaults in TRacks3S have the EQ, Compressor, Limiter and Clipper in each chain. I guess it could be said that the Limiter and Compressor are similar in the process. One of the primary advantages to using TRACKS is while running a pre-mixed track thru the suite, you can listen, turn the knobs , see and hear whats happening with each event...very educational...
John ??? Comments ?
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John Macy
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Posted 19 Feb 2012 3:27 pm
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In the real hardware world, certain pieces of gear impart a sound whether or not that are actually working hard, due to transformers and other electronics. Some compressors sound really great when they are barely working, but don't sound as great when pushed. I don't think this translates as well in the plugin world.
With my mastering guy, we usually hit analog first, with a Massenburg Stereo Mastering EQ, and then usually a Manley Variable MU tube compressor. The Manley kinda rounds of peaks a bit, and it sounds best used sparingly. A Weiss digital compressor follows this, and works more smoothly with the big peaks rounded off from the Manley. Sometimes at this point we will add another digital compressor, usually a Sony, if we need a little more punch. And at the end of the chain there is a Weiss digital limiter. It's kinda like cooking--you can use one spice in a dish, but usually a combination of spices brings out the best flavor in a dish...
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Scott Henderson
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Posted 21 Feb 2012 9:12 pm
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John I have not done it but have reviewed instructions on building a "multi band Compressor" I would love to hear your input on that...
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Jack Stoner
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Posted 4 Mar 2012 3:47 pm
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I've been looking at "mastering" software. I have a demo of Ozone 5 and will be getting a T RackS 3 demo to compare. I notice there is a special "group buy" going on at IK for T RackS 3, at the special $199 price plus they will throw in one of two extra processors - either the "Black 76 limiting amp" or the "White 2A Limiting amp". If they reach 2000 registrations during the group period they will give everyone the other plug-in.
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?deluxepromo/index.php
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Richard Tipple
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2012 10:20 am
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Well, Im slowley learning some of the T Racks, software uses for mastering, through trial and error and 1500 trips out to the truck CD player after mastering I have learned though, pretty much of what I hear after mastering with T Racks and my studio monitors inside, is what I hear on my CD player in my truck, outside 
The thing I had the most trouble with was, bass. A little goes a long way 
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Tony Prior
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Posted 1 Apr 2012 4:14 am
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excellent exercise Richard...now keep one of the tracks that you know sounds good in the truck handy at the workstation...use that as your in house reference..train your ears...and yeh..easier said than done ! I now have a separate set of small PC speakers set up with the reference monitors to AB the playback....
t
ps..this is hard work !
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Richard Tipple
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2012 9:08 am
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Thanks Tony,,
Somthing funny happened today ?
I have downloaded the two free processors, IK gave every one, the ,Black and the White, compressors, & they showed up & ran fine on the drop down list.
But today for some reason,, the Black 76, processor, is gone from the drop down list. I still have the White, but not the Black.
I downloaded the Black & re installed it, but it wont show up in the list ?
Do I need to go through the authorization manager & all that again, for the Black ?
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Tony Prior
From:
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Posted 2 Apr 2012 2:19 am
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Do I need to go through the authorization manager & all that again, for the Black ? |
Either that or send them more money !
Maybe reset your PC to an earlier date..a week ago or something like that...
at times that has resolved weird things..
t
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