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Topic: ShoBud Crossover Changer Pictures |
Rick Abbott
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 3:05 am |
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Ok friends, drag those old Crossovers out of the basement, out of the closet, out from under the bed...dredge 'em out of the pond  and take a nice picture of the changer. I'm interested in seeing the difference between the at least 4 models of changer used in this guitar. I've been told mine's probably the oldest. I think it would be cool if Mr. Jackson would look at the picture and chime in with any info about the early days of the Crossover model. Sure it's not the "best" Sho-Bud model, but they do have a history and are history.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 8:14 am
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| I love that guitar Rick! ShoBud's stranger changer! |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 8:32 am
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John, your '67 s-10 would be rack and barrel single raise and lower...you can participate in the excercise too.
OK, the rest period is over, put away the ice packs and linaments. I know they're heavy, and you've strained your shoulders and wrists dragging your beloved Crossovers out. It's picture time! 
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Dennis Wireman
From:
North West Indiana 47978
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 8:41 am changer
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 8:51 am
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'67 S-10, 6 &2;
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 11:06 am
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Did Baldwin make all,or just the last crossovers? I know that they made some because they were made in SC
Ridgeland/Hardeeville area.A friend of mine went there to pick up his. Don't remember the date.
BF
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 6:28 pm
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you can't crossover if you only have one neck!
i could use some info on this. didn't sho-bud always do all the manufacturing? the 'baldwin' era was mainly a business/distribution deal?
who knows about this?
i always thought the crossover concept was really cool. can they be made to function well?
i used to watch ernie hager play one and he was a great picker! |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 8:16 pm
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Well Chris, I realized that the Baldwin era rack and barrel guitars, especially the '67-'69 are probably the same changers as the Crossover model changers. So I knew John had one and wanted to see it too 
I have always thought that Baldwin was only distribution, but they might have farmed out this model as a way to clear the benches for the Professional.
Ernie Hagar is truly one of my heros. In fact, just today I decided to reset my back neck to A6, in part because of his copedant and tone.
I have completely defeated my "crossover" mechanism. I use 5 pedals and 2 knee levers on my guitar for the E9 neck only, with the back neck in a G6 non-pedal tuning. But, I am considering A6 with 5 and 2 as well...might be my undoing, as the crossover is a very, very fickle device. A few are happy (I do mean 3), most sold them and ran away in disgust. Or, they had their hernias fixed and then ran away. They are heavy 
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 2:47 am I don't understand crossover
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Please clear up my confusion, no wait thats impossible. If you have two necks. why do you need to crossover. If you only have one neck how does it crossover. Is thei an early version of Uni?
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 3:57 am
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That single neck is not a Crossover model, no one ever said it was, I asked john to post a picture of it because it has the exact same changer, only one however, as the late 60's Crossover. Same changer, no crossover, no second neck to cross over to.
EDIT: I hope the above sentences don't come across as rude, there is no intention to be rude 
Also, the Sho Bud Crossover has 6 pedals and 1 knee lever stock. There is a mechanism that allows for all changes to be used on the E9 neck, and then switched to the C6 neck with a pull of a lever. A very cool idea on paper, but very hard to actually set up to play nicely, or keep maintained. There are so many points of friction, and / or possible failure that most people have given up on them. As you read above, I defeated my crossover mechanism too. A picture:
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 7:02 am
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rick, i bet your single neck sounds great! after all, lloyd green's favorite tone maker was the crossover he took the back neck off of.
i remember talking to ernie one day at the music store in santa cruz where he worked as he was changing strings on that crossover. he'd put a drop of 3 n 1 oil on each changer finger as he went.
i used to sit and watch him play at a casino in south shore, lake tahoe for a period of time one season....i'd refer to him as buddy emmons just to get him riled up. he was an interesting guy. |
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 7:16 am
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chris,
As per Bobbe S.......All crossovers were made in Nashville by Sho-Bud, sent to distributers. I thought he would be the one to ask. A misunderstanding on my part. The Baldwin facilities are 100+ miles from here, don't know why he didn't buy it from a local music store.
Bill
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 7:20 am
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| So,,,, do all X-overs have the Baldwin decal, like S-10? |
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Benton Allen
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Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 7:28 am
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John asked:
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| So,,,, do all X-overs have the Baldwin decal, like S-10? |
No, my 69 model doesn't have it.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 7:30 am
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| So,,, when did the Baldwin distribution deal begin, and end? |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 9:42 am
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Coop told me that he thought the Baldwin exec was coming to see the Crossover guitar somewhere in October-november of 1966. Which is why he thought my guitar was one of the experimental pre-Baldwin prototypes. Mine does not have a Baldwin sticker, and the Shobud sticker was not laquered in, so it is flaking off somewhat. Coop wondered if they slapped this one together and stuck a ShoBud sticker on it to show to the Baldwin folk a completed guitar. Bobbe believes they made about 20 with the 23" scale length, but I'd bet not too many with the freaky changer I've got. It's no wonder! It could eat strings if I hadn't found a way around it's bad manners.
I have no idea when the deal ended
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Benton Allen
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Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 2:17 pm
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Rick,
My 69 seems to have the same changers as John's, but as you can see in the last two photos, no Baldwin logo. The Sho-Bud logo was lacquered on from the factory.
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Cheers!!
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 2:22 pm
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| Stunning guitar Benton! By '67, the decals were under the lacquer. At least they are on my S-10. A Crossover Custom was my second guitar. My first, a Miller S-10 was burned up in a niteclub fire, by some guys with crooked noses. |
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 2:50 pm
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after all, lloyd green's favorite tone maker was the crossover he took the back neck off of.
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What ever became of that steel? Does anybody know where it is today? Are there any photo's of it?
Mitch |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 2:53 pm
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| I thought it was a Fingertip he took the back neck off of?????? Some guy in, I think Texas, has that one. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 3:22 pm
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| the 'vintage guitar' article (sept. 2008) says it was a crossover! |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 3:31 pm
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Chris,
I'm sure you're right. When I talked to Lloyd, we only talked about his Fingertip, and how the scale length was changed. Too much ShoBud stuff swirlin' around in my brain! Trying to piece together ShoBud "facts" is like trying to herd cats! |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 3:47 pm
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Benton, That is a beautiful guitar!!!! Is it your main guitar? Do you have it set up to cross over?
Thank you for the great pics.
Maybe there should be a Crossover Forum 
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Benton Allen
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Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 5:18 pm
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Hi Rick!
Thanks!
My main guitar is an old Emmons Original. I restored this crossover a year or two back. Yes, the crossover system works fine, and the guitar stays in tune just fine also. Here is a peak under her skirt:
Like you said, thay don't have a lot of value at this time, but they are part of Steel Guitar History.
Cheers!!
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 19 Sep 2011 5:39 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
rick, i bet your single neck sounds great! after all, lloyd green's favorite tone maker was the crossover he took the back neck off of.
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I thought this sounded not 100% accurate, so I checked with Lloyd Green and he replied thus:
Hi Bent,
Obviously you are correct. The crossover remained a D-10. My next Sho-Bud, a Baldwin S.B.(1970-’73) is the one on which I had the C6th neck removed and replaced with a pad, thus becoming the prototype for the LDG model.
The tone on both of those steels was as good as it ever got for me. Lots of memories with each.
Regards,
Lloyd Green
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