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Topic: Lloyd Green raises F's with LKR? |
Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 8:08 am |
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i just got this old Bud and someone had the F raises on the LKR and i thought to myself who in the world would put it there with an Emmons pedal set-up (i can see if you played Day) since you use it with the A pedal most of the time - then i recall that Lloyd had this same set up so i have to ask - am i missing something? surely Lloyd thought out very carefully every placement, i cant see the thought behind this one.
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 8:20 am
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| I believe Tom Brumley also had his E levers (raises &/0r lowers) set up in such a non-conventional manner. |
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Skip Edwards
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LA,CA
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 8:52 am
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JayDee's setup is like that...Emmons pedals with LKL lowering the E's, and LKR raising them. Going to the
B pedal/Eb lever isn't hard like that, but the A pedal/F lever feels pretty strange.
Sure doesn't sound strange when he does it, though... |
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Steve English
From:
Baja, Arizona
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 8:54 am
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There was another thread that touched on this subject:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=204990&highlight=
Joe Wright wrote:
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Steve,
Lloyd Green's bud has the F lever on LKR...
Of course it is easier to have it on the same side as your A pedal but your body should learn the moves in the abstract and then learn their function.
There are four ankle positions over any two pedals. Learn to move your ankle to and from all the positions. Then learn to play any pedal with any knee lever. It can be done. For instance, play 6, 8, 10 fret 10 with B pedal and F lever. Then slide to fret 6 and then resolve to fret 8 no pedals. That's awkward on the Emmons set-up, but it can be done. Lift your heel off the floor when you hit the lever...joe
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I responded with some little smart-ass comment  , and then later tried some of the movements Joe mentioned....and dang if he wasn't wright!....imagine that!  Shut my mouth!
I certainly never would have gravitated to that setup, but since we are all small-time contortionist in some manner, it is good to be capable of all the movements. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 10:02 am
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It's fun to watch JayDee play. It looks like he is wrestling with an octopus under that guitar.
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Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 10:41 am
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i think its interesting how fast your brain and legs can adjust to a different set-up. i remember reading a post by BE where someone asked how long it took him to adjust to a different copedant and he said 5 minutes - to a newbie still bewildered with the vast differences in copedants I thought that was amazing - but it only took me 2-3 days to get use to this one which has the knees totally out of order - joe wright was "wright" - - if you do that your brain will quickly adjust - although i still find my left knee flying out to hit that F raise and nothing is happening.
This is an old Sho-Bud permanent that is set up amazingly well, everything works as smooth as any steel i've ever played - so i dont want to go messing with it for fear of opening a pandora's box of trouble. it had been in the case since the owner died in the early 90's and i just tuned it up with the 20 year old strings expecting all sorts of issues these perms are known for - but dang if the old gal fired right up to pitch on EVERY pedal and knee and was ready to do some Ernest Tubb tunes right there on the spot!! gotta love them old Buds.
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Peter Freiberger
From:
California, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 11:17 am
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| I've fooled around at JayDee's guitar and it is kind of counter intuitive, but not as awkward as you'd think. He is also real good at setting up a p/p. It also sounded completely different under my hands (duh). Years ago he had the E string raises split between LKR and RKL and you'd see him squeeze both legs together frequently. I think he had the 7th string raising and 2nd string lowers on RKL and 4th string raise and 9th string lower on LKR, but I may be wrong about that. He also differs from the Emmons set up in having his 2nd and 9th strings lowering on RKL and 1st and 7th raising on RKR. |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 11:47 am
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If I remember correct reading about Lloyd saying that when he added the E to F change, the LKR was the only place he had left to add a knee lever and didn't want to have to relearn the combinations he already had with the LKL.
Tony |
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 12:06 pm
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| At one of Jeff Newman's jams in Watertown, we watched Johnny Cox go from guitar to guitar, all with different set-ups. He went from Emmons to Day to Green to Universal, and who knows what else. He hit the pedals to see what the pulls were doing, then played it like he had played that set-up all of his life. Pretty impressive. |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2011 12:32 pm
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| Tony Dingus wrote: |
If I remember correct reading about Lloyd saying that when he added the E to F change, the LKR was the only place he had left to add a knee lever and didn't want to have to relearn the combinations he already had with the LKL.
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that was my WAG as to why - i recall him saying that raise was the final key to the steel he was searching for - but i cant image him having any difficulty with moving it - he added knee that in '67 - knees were fairly new then anyway. i guess it did what he wanted no matter where it ended up.
those old Sho-Bud Perms and Fingertips are really sensitive though - any mis-hit or pressure on that B pedal will cause trouble - i've seen the old footage of guys playing these where you'd almost "stomp" on the pedals, then have to take your foot completely off the pedals - you couldnt be lazy and "rest" your foot on these like some modern steels.
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Jun 2011 6:27 am
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| Jerome Hawkes wrote: |
those old Sho-Bud Perms and Fingertips are really sensitive though - any mis-hit or pressure on that B pedal will cause trouble - i've seen the old footage of guys playing these where you'd almost "stomp" on the pedals, then have to take your foot completely off the pedals - you couldnt be lazy and "rest" your foot on these like some modern steels. |
Hummmm, my fingertip plays very soft-------------------
But it will "tell on ya" if you try to use it as a foot rest, too. 
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Don Blood
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 24 Jun 2011 6:24 am
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| I raise to F with my RKR and like it. I lower the E with RKL. Works ok for me. Had a hard time hitting pedals and working knee at same time. |
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