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Topic: 1st string F# -> G# raise on Emmons (Norm Hamlett!) |
Dan Cooper
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New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2011 9:10 am |
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I've got my 1st string KL raise set to G on my Emmons P-P and want to change it to G#. Can I do that just by tuning it up at the end plate or would I have to make an adjustment underneath? The same KL also raises my 7th string to G.
I've been trying to learn Norm Hamlett's solo on Sunny Side Of My Life. When he goes to the iv, he's got one string going up a full step and another going down a full step at the same time. It's so cool!
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Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2011 10:44 am
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| Mike Cass has a good trick for 1rst string whole T raise on a p/p. I can post it later when i have time if no one else does. |
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 4 Jan 2011 11:03 am
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Dan, yes you'll have to reset the pull train for the first string knee lever.
1st remove the allen screw that normally tunes the no pedals position for string one. Remove the pull rod for string one. Then remove the lower return spring for string one.Now remove the allen screw that would normally tune the no pedals or F# note for string 1.
Once the lower return spring has been removed. Slide the pull rod back thru the bellcrank collar. And place the hook thru the bottom hole where the hook for the lower return spring was.
Now back the allen screw that would normally tune a 1st string lower off maybe a 1/4 of an inch or more.
With the 1st string pull finger pulled tight against the cabinet stop. Tune the pull finger to G#. And then tune the no pedals or F# note where you would normally tune a 1st string lower.
To balance the pull. You'll need to allow more travel in the 7th string 1/2 tone raise to balance the pulls. I recommend a compression spring for the 7th string pull. No compression spring for the first string pull is needed.
Hope this makes sense. I'm much better at doing the work than conveying my thoughts in print.
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Dan Cooper
From:
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2011 7:06 pm
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Hi Bobby,
Thank you. I think I understand maybe half of what you've written, but only because of my ignorance of the mechanism. Where would I get a compression spring of the kind you're talking about?
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 4 Jan 2011 7:55 pm
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Dan, To be clear the spring I'm referring to slides on the rod and is positioned between the bellcrank and locking rod collar.
I have no local source for them. Everything I've seen at local hardware stores was either a little too large or too small. Too heavy or too light gauge. I'm sure Emmons guitar has them as well as a few Forumites.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 5 Jan 2011 9:44 am
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| The last time I put this change on a p/p, I used an extended bellcrank. This way the tuning method remains the same. |
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Dan Cooper
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New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 3:55 pm
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Guys, Thank you very much for replying. I have a second Emmons a few thousand miles away, and when I get them both together again, that will afford me the opportunity of tinkering and finally getting to understand how to work on these guitars. Right now, it's beyond me. I got a copy of Methodology & Practice and it's like Aramaic.
One other question though: Do the replacement parts in the Emmons catalog fit the old push-pulls?
http://www.emmonsguitar.net/PDF/catalog.pdf
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Mike Wheeler
From:
Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 8:29 pm
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No, Dan, those lists are for the Emmons Legrande all pull guitars, not a push pull.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 7 Jan 2011 8:49 am
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Give Emmons a call, they have a full supply of p/p parts. In fact this guitar is a new push/pull with a 30 year old cabinet. I bought it from the Lashleys a few years ago.
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Dan Cooper
From:
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 7 Jan 2011 9:07 am
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| Thanks, Mike and Erv. Erv, beautiful guitar! |
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Mike Cass
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Posted 7 Jan 2011 7:39 pm
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I advise against the addition of non-factory parts or methods to achieve changes on the p/p guitar.
The original p/p system and its factory parts will allow you to get most any change you desire if you understand it correctly and apply the parts accordingly to your needs.
Bobby Boggs correctly conveyed my method for achieving the F# to G# raise on the p/p guitar. Actually its a trick that Clem Schmitz showed me which he'd gotten from either Weldon or Hal....they tune their 2nd string to C# and raise it 2x on 2 different levers, and thats inheirntley a pretty long pull. Not sure which one of those two guys came up with the fix but it works nicely for string1 as well.
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