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Topic: F#-G change |
Ricky Littleton
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Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2009 12:39 pm |
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Have been "fine tuning" my set-up on my 12. One thing I decided was "why have the identical E9 on 2 guitars?". For my purposes, 2 guitars give me the obvious redundancy, but also gives me some flexability in sound.
I decided to leave the whole tone change (F#-G#) for my Emmons and revert the Sierra back to the F#-G half tone change. I haven't used that in MANY years and I really forgot how nice that sound is.
The whole tone 1st string change has become (again for just me) a bit too cliche' and over-used so I am migrating away from it on my U-12.
I think this little bit of diversity between instruments will be a nice break in routine.
Do any others think this way or am I just looking for change for the sake of change?
Ricky...
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 1 Nov 2009 1:41 pm
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I completely agree with you....why have the same setup on both guitars? Changing things around opens up a lot of new musical ideas and sounds. Both changes are cool and have different uses.
Though if I had a Sierra and an Emmons, I'd put the F#>G# on the Sierra, and the F#>G on the Emmons.
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 1 Nov 2009 1:50 pm
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Why not just put a half-stop on it and be done with it?
You can put a spring-loaded half-stop on 7 and set it for G, then, if you're lucky, you can adjust the 1st string bellcrank to get G with the same amt of throw as the 7th string and . . . you have both changes on one lever.
Worth a thought. It works well for me.
Why have the same setup on multiple guitars? Depends on the purpose. If your guitars are experiments in progress, fine -- learn all you can from those experiments. If your guitar is a tool you use to make music / money, it's a bit different. I usually reserve a pedal and a lever (if I can spare one) for changes I don't really need. I need 7x7 to get the changes I'm accustomed to, but I have a guitar with 8x8 and one with 8x7 so that those experiments don't get in the way of the bread and butter. 90% of the rest of my setup hasn't changed since 1975. But maybe that's just me.
Everyone has his / her own needs and purposes -- pedal steel is not a one size fits all instrument.
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Barry Hyman
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upstate New York, USA
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Posted 2 Nov 2009 5:52 pm
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I use the F# to G change (talking open position here) to get an Em, a G, and a G7, as well as the usual A7. I use it a lot to get blues scales and blues licks, and to get E minor and E dorian scales. It adds a suspended fourth to a D chord. (Still talking open position, for the sake of simplicity -- it can add a sus4 to any chord if you move up the neck, obviously.) And it augments the B chord on strings 1, 2, and 5. What else can it do? Any suggestions? I'm happy to still be learning after 37 years!
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Russ Wever
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 2:56 am
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Barry -
In addition to the chordal uses for the F#-G knee
lever, I find it useful in melodic single-note runs.
I had posted this example of 'descending half-scales'
long ago, before you were posting here at the for-um.
I've opened a new post with it, thinking that other
newer players might get some use from it, too.
The new post is - - > H E R E
Hope ya find it to be useful,
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 12:44 am
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| Larry Bell wrote: |
| ...If your guitars are experiments in progress, fine ... I usually reserve a pedal and a lever...so that those experiments don't get in the way of the bread and butter... |
Larry,
I agree. I'm getting Mike Perlowin's red Fessenden U-12 as an experiment in progress soon. Its a 7X5, but setup as 4X2 C6 with 11 strings now.
| Ricky Littleton wrote: |
| Have been "fine tuning" my set-up on my 12. One thing I decided was "why have the identical E9 on 2 guitars?". For my purposes, 2 guitars give me the obvious redundancy, but also gives me some flexability in sound...Do any others think this way or am I just looking for change for the sake of change? |
Ricky,
My Mullen S10 E9 will stay just as it is for work,
but the Fessy will give me lots of copedent options to play around with.
First change is F# raise to G (I already have the whole tone raise on the Mullen).
I'm really looking forward to my 3rd PSG!
I told the wife, "This is the last one I'll get."
Then muttered something like... "for a while" 
Clete |
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Bengt Erlandsen
From:
Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 5 Nov 2009 2:31 am
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To Barry
I use 7th string F#-G to get a nice Dom13th together w B+C
play strings 7 5 4 open and get G C# F#, add the 3rd string A (root)if needed
I also use 7th string F#-G together w A+F, 1 fret up from open strings, play 7 5 4 and get G# D F#
It can also be done w C pedal and E's-Eb(Instead of A+F) if you have split tuned Cpedal
Bengt Erlandsen
my other Pedal steel has F#-G# on 7th string tho
I like both |
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