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Topic: tube tone with a nashville 112? twin? |
Alex Piazza
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Arkansas, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2009 5:23 am |
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Ive decided to finally give up and buy two amps for 6 string guitar and steel. Ive got the guitar tone figured out. Low watt tube sound. My ultimate choice for steel would be a twin reverb. Cuz I kinda like that warm break up for the bluesy stuff. But, I dont wana lug a twin and a dr z to the gigs. Id rather use a nashville 112.
My question Is can you get some kind of preamp or pedal to give a little bit of a tube sound to a 112? Ive heard of the tubefex, i dont know what it does.
I would use a twin for both, but I cant seem to get the right tone on guitar without making eardrums bleed. Ive got a durham sexdrive pedal on the way. That might do the trick. Any thoughts? |
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David Nugent
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Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 5 Sep 2009 7:50 am Tube tone
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| Alex...The Sarno "Black Box" or better yet, the "SMS Classic" preamp should greatly improve the tone in a 112. I used a Black box in front of mine for a time with good results. |
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Alan Tanner
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Near Dayton, Ohio
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Posted 5 Sep 2009 8:22 am
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| ..you could use a HOT PLATE on the twin so you can crank it without popping eyeballs.... |
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Bill Leff
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Santa Cruz, CA, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2009 8:38 am
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All due respect, I don't think the hotplate will get you there with a non-tube amp, since all you are doing is essentially turning up the amp and attenuating the volume with the hotplate. Since the amp itself (Nashville) is not really capable of achieving the "tube tone", this is not a viable solution.
There are plenty of nice low-gain pedals that might work. I use a Hermida Zendrive with a Deluxe Reverb normally, but have used it with a Roland MicroCube (non-tube amp) and it sounded pretty good.
Other pedals with good reps are the Barber LTD and Paul Cochrane's "Tim" pedal.
Check out Effects section of thegearpage.net or better yet post there with your question and I'm sure you'll get plenty of answers! |
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Olli Haavisto
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Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 5 Sep 2009 11:11 pm
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Bill,
I think Alan was talking about the Hot Plate with a Twin.
What I`ve done in a similar (double duty) situation is I had a friend of mine build me a two channel tube preamp based on the Twin, with the channels tweaked for pedal steel and guitar/lap steel. Works great with my Evans. Zen Drive for OD.
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 6 Sep 2009 6:29 am
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I had my tech mod the first channel of my Twin for more midrange and earlier breakup. I then run my guitar through a seymour duncan pickup booster, which overdrives the signal a bit. It serves me very well on double-duty gigs. Even without the mod, the pickup booster would break up the signal enough to cause a bit of grit. It's a great pedal for this application.
The NV112 is so hard and clean....I don't know how much luck you'll have, unless you use a Pod or something.
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Alex Piazza
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Arkansas, USA
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Posted 6 Sep 2009 11:19 am
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chris, thats an interesting idea with the twin. Does a pod just immitate the sounds of other amps? Never used one.
Also, can anyone elaborate on what exactly the black box does.
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 6 Sep 2009 12:10 pm
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Alex, the Pod does indeed model an array of amps, and it is also a multi-effects unit. You should be able to find a Fender-type setting that works for you, and it would probably sound fine through the 112. The Pod comes in a floor model, a rack mount and a stand-alone unit. There are several generations of this unit, and it seems the later versions are the better ones.
The Black Box is a preamp unit with one tube, designed to warm up the solid state sound a bit. They have received great reviews here on the forum. You can check Brad Sarno's website for more information.
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 6 Sep 2009 5:48 pm
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| Sarno Blackbox. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 1:56 pm
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| I had my tech add reverb to the "Normal" channel of my Twin. I use that channel for steel. He did some sort of "Tweed Mod" to the Vibrato channel. Gotta have "Vibrate-Oh!" for my Tele and baritone. |
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robert kramer
From:
Nashville TN
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 2:02 pm
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 3:41 pm
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A Peavey Nashville 112 won't ever sound like a tube amp. They do sound good, though. You just can't make transistors sound like tubes.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 3:49 pm
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| Yeah b0b, that's why I'd suggest using the Twin. |
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Alex Piazza
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 5:15 pm
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| Yeah. I geuss if I like tube tone i should stick with a tube amp. If only a twin could wiegh 20 lbs. I might put a weber california and some new tubes in my hot rod deluxe to clean it up a bit. I really dont mind the tone of it. When Im miked properly its got enough power for my style of playing. |
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Marc Jenkins
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Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 6:00 pm
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| Alex, I played steel for a bit through a hot rod deluxe; if you had it biased for more headroom you'd be good for many applications, I'm sure. The Weber would help loads too. |
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Alex Piazza
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 6:17 pm
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| marc, Did you ever use a different speaker in the hot rod? |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 6:43 pm
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Best I've come up is using my Podxt with ONLY a preamp and the pod reverb/delay and running one channel each to a NV112 and a Blues Jr with a Weber Blue Dog.
You can't beat the HRD with e WBD for crystaline highs with just the right amount of breakup. Cut the Lows.
On the NVl112, cut the highs. It compresses the lows beautifully instead of them rattting out on the BLues Jr.
HRDs suck. I had one. You can't play them without a PA at a good size gig cause they will rattle the tubes to death. They aren't soldered very well either.
Of course the BLues JRs have weak tube sockets, and you might need to have it gone through. Just less of an expense than A HRD.
I wanted an HRD for larger gigs, and it "blew out" the tubes twice in a row. I traded it for a 100w MArshall 412 half stack. (and an old Peavey Raptor Strat)
I was REALLY surprised at the BLues JR, especially with the BLue Dog. I use it alone on c6/e9 PSG gigs that are MIKED, and I get nothing but good feedback.
I actually use a Nvl400 for the lows lately cause I kneed the pre volume knob on the 112 and haven't sent it off yet.
If you get a 112, get a knob protector. BEsides the suck/PV reverb, it's the weak spot.
JMHO.
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Marc Jenkins
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Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 7:10 pm
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Alex, I did run it through a separate cab with a Weber 12F150 (50 watt) once. It sounded better, but I didn't wind it up; I imagine more power would be a good idea.
This HRD happened to have toured all over Canada for 3 years with it's previous owner. When I got it, the speaker was mostly gone, but the original tubes were still good! |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 9:53 pm
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I don't worry about whether or not I'm using tubes or solid-state, but simply expect it to sound good to me.
If you like a NV 112 for pedal steel, you can use some type of modeler into it for guitar. When I don't feel like lugging two amps (which is frequently), I use an old-style Pod 2 (not one of the ones made in the last few years), using the Deluxe Reverb (Blackface I) model. I often use a Tubefex for pedal steel, using a custom patch or one of the Jeff Newman patches (btw - none of those Newman patches use the tube capabilities of the Tubefex, they were designed for the Profex II, which has no tube preamp section.)
PSG => Tubefex (optional) => High-Input of NV 112
Guitar => Pod 2 => Low-Input or Pre-Return of NV 112
I sometimes use the same setup with other pedal steel amps like the LTD 400 or NV 400/1000, or even a Twin Reverb. I love the sound of a Twin Reverb for either guitar or steel, but the guitar is often too loud for the band/venue when run at a volume where it sounds good to me. Properly tweaked, a modeler can help dial in a good sound at a lower volume.
FWIW - some people just don't like modelers, so YMMV. It took me some time to dial in what I liked on the Pod - the stock settings were too distorted for me. The other key is to run it through a full-range clean amp - run through a typical midrangey and distorted guitar amp doesn't cut it for me. To my tastes, a typical pedal steel amp is a good choice. |
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Raybob Bowman
From:
S. Lake Tahoe, CA, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 10:59 pm Tube-Tone
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If you really like the tube tone, you might try a "Tube-Tone". I started building re-makes of the blackface Deluxe-Reverb. I've since added other models but recently added two that are nice for steel or guitar. One is a beefed up version of the Princeton running 6L6s with 12" speaker. The other is a basic clone of the BF Vibrolux. I could wire the Vibrolux to have reverb on both channels if you need need it that way.
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