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Topic: "Out Of The Snow" - Amazing Rhythm Aces |
Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 2 Sep 2009 7:30 pm
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What a song!
Lyrics to kill for. Great steel break.
I was living in Leadville, CO around the time this song came out. It wasn't one of their big hits, like "Third Rate Romance", but it was out there for awhile.
It's got it all. Don't ya think?
Rhythm, melody, instrumentation, and especially lyrics.
Wish I could put the song up here, but I can't.
I apologize for being a dummy.
See if you can find it on YouBoob or any other places. It's definitely worth a listen-to.
"Out Of The Snow" - Amazing Rhythm Aces
_________________ Chip
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Lee Baucum
From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 2 Sep 2009 8:08 pm
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Lee - great link.
Not the original Aces song.
Sorry.
The original version has prominent pedal steel.
AND...comes in at just the right time.
Once again - great version, but not the Aces, I don't think.
cf _________________ Chip
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Dave Harmonson
From: Seattle, Wa
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Posted 2 Sep 2009 10:52 pm
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Chip, that is the original Rhythm Aces version. Two guitars, one capoed on the 5th fret and autoharp ala Carter Family. The ARA were one of my most favorites from the 70's. Russell Smith is one helluva writer and the line-up with Barry Bird Burton on guitar was something. I liked them after Bird left the band, but the stuff with him was the best IMHO. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 3:28 am
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Unless they had a different single out, Lee's link is the original version. From the "Too Stuffed to Jump" album. Early 70's. But hey, lots of things slipped through cracks.
I think I have all their recordings. My favorite all time band.
Never heard the "Snow" version with steel. I'll look around youtube for it though. |
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 4:48 am
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Dave and Jerry,
Thanks for great replies. I was living in Leadville, CO (with lotsa snow; circa 1980) when this great ARA tune came out.
You know, roughly.
OK - I'm gonna take the liberty here, to send youse two guise the file I have.
Cuz I don't know how to put it up here with a web server for all the world to hear.
You guys gotta hear the version I have, with full roundhouse pedal steel.
It's all great fellas, no matter. _________________ Chip
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 4:54 am
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I guess I can't put attachments on emails via the Forum; I just tried.
If you fellas want to send me your email address, I'd be glad to send out this version I have.
Chip: seatug@comcast.net
BTW - the version I have came right off of their album, with a black and white cover. Can't get to it right now, so I don't know the name of that album. _________________ Chip
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Jack Francis
From: Queen Creek, Arizona, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 5:11 am
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I used to do "End is not in sight" and "Third rate romance" back in the late 70's early 80's in b0b's stomping grounds....our drummer at the time, Bruce, brought his girlfriend with him to a gig.
After a break he said that I was "KILLING" her when I did my leads because I butchered 'em....seems that she used to live with the Aces lead guitar player. |
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 5:18 am
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Great saga Jack.
They were a great group. Anyone who says they are a ARA fan has got my ear.
They were like one of those famous unknown groups. Always coming up with a great song, radio play etc., but never seemed to get as famous as say, Garth Brooks _________________ Chip
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Peter Freiberger
From: California, USA
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Jack Francis
From: Queen Creek, Arizona, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 6:13 am
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My favorite song they did was "Lipstick Traces". |
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 6:22 am
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Yep, a remake of the tune. Release date 1999. This era had Duncan Cameron on pedal steel. I don't recall seeing this album before, but they started re-recording some old things and also some new albums in the 90's for CD.
Thanks for the heads up Chip, and the link Peter. The volume is really weak on the clip. I'll try and hunt up a better sounding one. |
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 7:46 am
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Like I said, I've got a great .mp3 file of OOTS with pedal steel.
Even ran it through GOLDWAVE and gave it a bit more sparkle, edge, and presence.
Someone here oughta know how I can put this .mp3 file up here on the Forum.
I know it can be done; I can't do it.
What a shame.
Thanks, too, Pete, for the links. Sadly the soundbite with the steel gets cutoff just as the steel begins to get going.
This is ridiculous. _________________ Chip
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 3 Sep 2009 2:48 pm
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Amazing Rhythm Aces - Out Of The Snow.mp3 (3340KB), Out Of The Snow.jpg.lnk (705b) [I can't get it to link either Chip].
Well, I thought I knew my Aces as well as anyone, but I have not ever heard this cut. I know they did a reissue called "Ride Again" that had that tune on it, but I don't have it to listen to. That didn't come out 'til '94 or 5 though.
Just before the steel break sounds like Russell says "Ah, Lizard" or something like that. I know Big Jim Vest played on their later albums, so it could be him, but I've never heard him called that. OTOH, it sounds like a live cut, so there may have been someone else traveling with them. I wish I could see the video of this one.
In the other one referred to above released in '99, Duncan Cameron was a part of the band same as in the '97 deal, but that ride doesn't sound like anything Cameron could've played.
Anyhow, the nice thing is that it does have some delicious steel pickin' on it no matter who it is and solidifies the notion that The Aces was a band that defied description, playing everything from bluegrass to soul, blues, country, swing, reggae, it just didn't matter to them as long as it was good....and it was. They didn't label the music, they just did it. |
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2009 3:30 am
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Jerry, that's a great observation about the Aces and playing any kind of music. By those guys, it was all good music.
I'm gonna go one by one through my 700+ stacks of albums and dig out the Aces album I got that version off of; if it kills me or takes all day to do it. We'll figure this out yet.
I believe the album was like some kind of composite, thrown together deal, but not a greatest hits release. I think it was like some kind of unauthorized release.
I thought someone said "oh (ah) listen" (as in get ready for an earful of this wild steel break), just before the break. It was definitely a 'live' recording. _________________ Chip
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 4 Sep 2009 4:50 am
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Hey Chip, don't knock yourself out looking for it. It doesn't matter. There are many special events done over the years that aren't cataloged or are in short issue.
The steel is pretty hot on that cut and came as somewhat of a surprise being only familiar with the Mother Maybelle style acoustic version.
Aces into the Millennium and beyond! I think they're still going at it, less Butch of course. |
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2009 7:20 am
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Well, Jerry...
Before I just got on here, I did knock myself out and went through the entire stacks of albums (TWICE).
I couldn't find it. However, I got a feeling it may be over at my buddies house, as I know I wanted him to learn "Out Of The Snow".
In the meantime, I took a trip to Amazonland, and on Page 5 of the 'Amazing Rhythm Aces' is "Alive In America" Vol.3 (also listed in other places as "Concert Classics Vol. 3) and that looks like 'my' album. It definitely has the same version of OOTS.
I'll have to check with Aldo and see if it isn't over at his place. I definitely want it back.
So, I guess after all, it is/was a legit album.
Can't remember if the steeler was listed in the credits, or even if there were any credits. _________________ Chip
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Sep 2009 9:46 am
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I must be goin' deaf...can't make out some of the words. On the bright side, I think the singer's on key...most of the time.
"Third Rate Romance" was pretty cool, though. |
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Stephen Silver
From: Asheville, NC
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Posted 4 Sep 2009 9:57 am
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i just spoke to Duncan (a long time friend with whom I played with before he moved to Muscle Shoals in the 70's) and on the Alive in America album, that is him playing steel guitar.
He lived with me for about a year in the early seventies and would sit down and pick at my steel constantly. He never really considered himself a steel player, but if you listen to the album "Full House, Aces High" he is in fine form on I Pity the Mother and the Father as well as Those Dreams of Losing You.
Even before DC joined em, they were one of my all time favorite bands, true Americana before the term was even coined. A genesis of country, bluegrass, blues, r&b....it's what killed them in the 80's though cause no program director in radio knew what they actually did. KPIG out in California still plays them in regular rotation.
Duncan still plays a little though he's now a pilot for Southwest. If you're flying SW, ask who's in the cockpit....it may be him.
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2009 11:05 am
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Well I can see Duncan hasn't stopped soaring.
Once with the ARA, and now with Southwest.
Thanks Stephen for that tidbit. _________________ Chip
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Craig Stock
From: Westfield, NJ USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2009 4:27 am
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Chip,
Count me in as an ARA fan, have most of there albums and a great two-fer of 'Stacked Deck' and 'Too stuffed to Jump' on CD that I got from Joe Goldmark' s Amoeba Records in SF. Most of the older stuff though is still not on CD.
My favorite song is (Say Goodbye to th) King of the Cowboys.
Will have to put them on today
Craig _________________ Regards, Craig
I cried because I had no shoes, then I met a man who had no feet.
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 6 Sep 2009 1:01 pm
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Well, I just got a turntable rigged up so's I can listen to some of my old vinyl. I put on ARA's How the Hell do you spell Rythum lp from 1980 and listened to their cut of Taj Mahal's Farther on Down the Road, among others. Duncan's slide guitar work is fabulous. Besides TM and the boys' own fab written works, there are tunes penned by Van Morrison and Delbert McClinton.
Then I played what I call their "disco" self titled white lp from 1979. Russell never sounded better covering Al Green's Love and Happiness [with some smooth Cameron guitar and nasty Hammens from James Hooker], Naomi Neville's Lipstick Traces, and Rudy Clark's If you Gotta Make a Fool of Somebody. [Clark also wrote Harrison's Got my Mind Set on You, Stones Gimme Shelter and the old Shoop Shoop song among others.]
Gotta go dust off about a half dozen other Aces lps. and a huge stack of other 70-80's vinyl...tons of great music...my favorite era overall. I guess my nostalgia is running rampant, but this music sounds as fresh and relevant as anything going today, maybe moreso.
Speaking of Duncan Cameron's steel playing, he also wrote, sang and played great steel on Homestead in my Heart on this lp. I thought his work with ARA was much more creative than the stuff he had to do with Sawyer Brown.
See what you started Chip |
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Stephen Silver
From: Asheville, NC
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Posted 6 Sep 2009 6:59 pm
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Jerry I couldn't agree more re the comment ARA vs SB. I think Duncan was a victim of "production values" on the Sawyer Brown stuff while with the Aces he was just allowed to play it as he felt it with much more room to play as well.
And to think that in 79 he was just 23 years old. Amazing musician.
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Chip Fossa
From: Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 6 Sep 2009 8:39 pm
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Jerry & Stephen....
I always hated Sawyer Brown. A copy-cat lame duck phony band. Are they around now? They're just A-typical of all the rubbish. Are the Beatles around now? How many Sawyer Brown songs do you remember?
How many Beatles songs do you remember? This is an equal-opportunity question equally going out to Sawyer Brown and Beatles fans.
Please respond. Oh yeah, remember - the option, "none of the above", in this questionnaire, is unacceptable. _________________ Chip
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 7 Sep 2009 4:06 am
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Perhaps I could've said it better. I wasn't bashing SB, they were ok. I liked Bobby Randall's guitar playing. They set young hearts aflutter all over the world.
I just meant that the scope of the Aces music was so wide as to allow Cameron a very broad canvass.
Yes, he had a lot going for him. He also picked the banjo, mandolin and dobro.
"Byrd" Burton's leaving was a disappointment to me. Both as a musician and a producer, but I remained, and do to this day, a staunch supporter of the band and their music. |
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