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Topic: Using Delay Only - No Reverb |
Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 2:52 pm |
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I've seen several posts over the years by folks that no longer (or never did) use reverb, but are using delay only. I'm interested in knowing how you set your delay unit. About how many milliseconds of delay? Feedback/Repeats? Are you using this in country and western music?
I've got a little bitty Guyatone MD2 Micro Delay that I bought many years ago. I used to use it in conjunction with the reverb on my amp. I was cleaning out the closet today and ran across it, so I decided to mess around with it a bit. I really don't like the spring reverb on my old Evans amp, so I just turned it off and started trying different settings with the delay unit. I'm really starting to like what I hear.
Since it doesn't have marks on the knob to show how many milliseconds of delay it's hard to say what the setting is I'm using; however, I'd guess it's around 300 ms. I've got it set to give about 3 or 4 very subtle repeats. It sounds a bit like reverb, but different. The notes sustain like reverb, but are much cleaner sounding.
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.
Lee, from South Texas |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 3:16 pm
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Hi Lee,
I have gotten a Lexicon MX200 in the last month or two and it has a feature called tempo tap,
You just tap it twice in time to the song and it sets the echo in time with the song.
It is a dual processor and I can control the reverb and echo separately at the same time.
Plus it has most all the other effects except Distortion which I don't use that much,...
If I want distortion, I have a Sparkle Drive I can use..
Ken
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Dean Parks
From:
Sherman Oaks, California, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 3:58 pm
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Hi Lee-
Paul F posted a couple of years ago that he uses a single delay at 200ms
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum11/HTML/008252.html
Not sure if you deal with a rack, but I've been using TC Electronic M350 in a small rack live, and that unit (and the M300 I think) has an option to set up both a delay and reverb, then you have a balance control which lets you use both or either.
For reverb, I recommend dialing in some pre-delay (a short space between the original sound and the reverb). Having that delay separated from the attack cleans things up a lot.
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 4:02 pm
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I remember that comment from Paul, regarding 200ms of delay. I believe that's in conjunction with reverb. I've had a couple of multi-effects units over the years, and I've usually had one setting that was a combination of reverb and 200ms of delay. I also agree with the pre-delay comment. That really helps.
For this discussion, though, I'm interested in hearing about using delay only - no reverb. Anybody doing that?
Lee |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 5:36 pm
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For live gigs I like just a delay, around 200 or 220 ms. (For recording everybody seems to like it dry so they can tweak their plugins.)
I don't usually like a delay longer than that, because it sounds like another event.
Shorter delays have the problem of sounding too much like phasing or flanging when I use vibrato. In other words, if the delay is too short, I can't move the bar far enough to get a pleasant chorus effect from the delayed signal, unless I vibrate at an obnoxiously fast rate (billy goat sound). |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 5:48 pm
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Mike Poholsky
From:
Kansas, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 6:10 pm
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I've been using the Analog Delay setting, on my Line 6 Echo Park Delay, with no reverb and it sounds very good. Especially on slower songs with long sustaining notes and chords. I don't know if these settings will mean anything unless you have an Echo Park: Mix 11:00, Repeat 9:00, 4 repeats the 4th barely audible, Time 1:30, Mod 0, Normal Tap (first setting), Analog Setting, Trails On.
I've been using the Digital Delay setting with a touch of reverb for quicker songs with faster single note stuff.
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 6:13 pm
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| Lee Baucum wrote: |
| EB - Do you use more than one repeat? |
NOt usually. I tend to go real light (quiet) on the efx but sometimes it is fun to go extreme. For live gigs I usually still use an old multi efx box (GX-700) that I can tweak while I play. |
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Jeff Hyman
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2009 6:17 pm
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Lee,
I would imagine that if reverb is taken out of the loop completely, that you would need to compensate by how long you let a string (or cord) ring before blocking it. Though I feel reverb is important, I do occasionally find myself using a setting with less reverb and using this technique. It comes in handy if part of the song has plenty of staccato notes as well.
Knob settings for delay: Something you should play around with. Shouldn't take you long to get a feel for it.
If you change your mind, the TC350 is a choice to consider. |
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 6 Apr 2009 4:59 am
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| I've seen Emmons "set it and forget it" no matter what he played and other times I've seen him tweak settings depending on the song. Maybe it's just the Big E, but both sounded great to me. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Apr 2009 7:25 am
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| I would think that 200ms would be short enough that it would not be timed to fit the music, rather, it would add some ambiance to the overall sound. I think that is really important when playing live in a dead room or, worse, playing outdoors. Move it up to 250ms and "imply" a bit larger room. |
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Bill Moore
From:
Manchester, Michigan
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Posted 6 Apr 2009 8:06 am
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I use delay only no reverb. I set it so there is no distinct repeat, just a slight doubling of the original sound. I use a DD-3, the time is just a little over 200ms. Set like this, it tends to sound more like a very clean reverb, I adjust the level to increase that effect, if wanted. Most of the time the level is at about 11 o'clock.
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