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Topic: Fifth strings C# to D question... |
Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 31 Oct 2008 5:33 pm |
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I suspect this is not what you're asking, but when I want to go rapidly from C# to D, I have the 2nd string C#=>D pre-lowered and just pick them consecutively.
Alternatively, one could move up 3 frets, pre-lower the B=>Bb lever for the C# and then release it for the D.
Or - you could add a lever that goes from B=>D. Then when you hit the A-pedal for C#, you could follow it immediately with that other lever to give you D. |
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 31 Oct 2008 6:39 pm
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I think i've miss phase my question a little bit, what i'm trying to say is when you have your A or C pedal down and hit your fifth string ...i would like to go up a note instead of going up a fret, i can't add anymore pull on that string cause it's only a 2 pull 2 lower changer .
thx........pat.
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Jim Robbins
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 31 Oct 2008 9:28 pm
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| Well, if you hit your E - D# lever at the same time as you slide up one fret with the A pedal down it might give you part of what you're looking for. |
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C. Christofferson
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Posted 31 Oct 2008 10:14 pm
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| If you adjust the tuning (nylon) nut for the A pedal 5th string raise, you can get it to raise the string 3 semitones instead of the usual 2. It does make for an interesting 7th chord (pushing the A pedal starting from a no-pedal major triad). |
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Tony Dingus
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Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2008 7:03 am
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I saw this design in a news letter that Tom Bradshaw had out several years ago. This makes a double raise/double lower to a either, triple raise/single lower or single raise/triple lower. I hope the picture will make sense and it's not a very good drawing to begin with. Sorry about that. Get in touch with Tom, he may have some of these pieces made up.
Tony |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 1 Nov 2008 7:46 am
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The only way you'll be able to do it quickly is to raise it to D on a separate lever (or pedal, I suppose). Jimmy Day raised 5 to D on a lever, as I recall. I've watched a lot of great players over the years and, for the single note D, A LOT of them just keep the A pedal down and sneak the bar up a fret. That won't work for the chord, obviously, but the B to D lever will give you exactly what you're asking for.
Another way to do it would be to learn to pull the string behind the bar. Billy Robinson has perfected this technique and he can do amazing things. You just have to pull it 1/2 tone so it's possible. The strings on a pedal steel are a bit close to pull behind the bar easily, but I've seen it done.
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John Groover McDuffie
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LA California, USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2008 12:37 pm
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| Ernest Bovine has this change on some of his guitars. You can probably find it on the tunings page of this site. |
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2008 1:58 pm
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| Pat Comeau wrote: |
hit your fifth string ...i would like to go up a note instead of going up a fret, i can't add anymore pull on that string cause it's only a 2 pull 2 lower changer .
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There are ways to pull one rod from 2 different pedals or levers. Each rod puller (actually a rod pusher in this case) would push on a "collar" on the pull rod. Sho-Bud made lots of these collars that were tunable; you would reach under the guitar and screw it in or out for fine tuning.
Maybe it would be easier for you to give up the pull from B to C# on the "C pedal". Then you could use one pull rod just for the B to D pull.
Yes this B to D is a fun pull, especially for country style. I have it on most of my guitars but usually it is on the rightmost pedal for right foot operation. |
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 6:09 am
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You are out of pulls?? That makes it a bit tricky pat, but i think you might be able to tap into that somehow, Bud carter would know!
If not, lower the E's, with A pedal, and move up a fret!
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 8:13 am
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| I just use the bar, often for pedals down suspended chord sounds. I like it that I have to sneak that note in there, it forces different phrasing than a pedal or lever move would. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 4:56 pm
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| what jim said..i think! |
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Joseph Barcus
From:
Volga West Virginia
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Bengt Erlandsen
From:
Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 3 Nov 2008 2:27 am
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Pat. What other notes/strings are you playing at the same time as you want the C#-D. Easier to figure out if there are other ways to get the same sound.
Sometimes I want the extra halftone raise when using A+B pedals. Instead I play the A+B voicing one fret up using half Apedal, lowered E strings. It gives a dom7th voicing on strings 10 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and the A pedal gives access to the b3rd, 3rd or 4th note of the voicing. |
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Max Stuckey
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Florida, USA
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Posted 4 Nov 2008 6:03 am
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| If you are speaking of playing string 3,4, and 5. Just slide the bar up 3 frets and push the F lever. |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 4 Nov 2008 8:01 am
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Pat said
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| when you have your A or C pedal down and hit your fifth string ...i would like to go up a note instead of going up a fret |
He's not looking for another position to play those notes. Only two ways I know would be a dedicated lever B to D or pulling the string behind the bar. Sounds like he's talking about raising the 3rd (C#) to a perfect 4th (D) in pedals down position, giving you an Asus4 open. It is a useful change. I have it on my lower B (B to D that is) but not on the 5th string. Sounds like Earnest has it on 5, as did Jimmy Day and others.
We can't have every change on our guitars so we have to pick and choose which complements our own style of playing. If you've run out of levers or run out of positions in the changer, you either have to give up something that's already there (like the 5th string pull on the C pedal as suggested above) or just use the B pedal out of the no pedals position to get that sus4 chord.
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 7 Nov 2008 12:33 am
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Thanks everyone for the good advice and tips, i'm trying different things to get that note in on a fast run, as slow run is concern i have no problem i just slant my bar one fret up with string #3 and #5 and it gives me what i was looking for, but for fast run that's another thing  ,,,but i'll keep practicing and see which is better.
thx again guys....................Pat 
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Click the links to listen to my Comeau's Pedal Steel Guitars.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2GhZTN_yXI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvDTw2zNriI |
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Don Brown, Sr.
From:
New Jersey
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Posted 7 Nov 2008 6:49 am
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Pat,
Possible solution:
Give the builder a call, and see if you can get a new finger, for that 5th string, as a Tripple raise. I've definitely seem that on a few, where the original was only a Dual.
That way, you would have the best of an otherwise awkward deal. "Without losing anything" you currently have. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 7 Nov 2008 9:41 am
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| Pat Comeau wrote: |
| ...i'm trying different things to get that note in on a fast run... |
If you're lowering the 2nd a half tone, that should give you the same "D" note, shouldn't it? |
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