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Topic: Anybody know what kind of steel this is? |
Matt Pynn
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 16 Dec 2007 10:35 pm |
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So I recently bought a Nashville 400 off craigslist locally, and when I met with the seller he offered up this D-10 as well. He didn't know much about it at all, and I got the impression that it probably hadn't been played much. I would greatly appreciate any insight any of you might have on what this steel is. I am a little concerned that the age and style of changer, make this, potentially, more trouble than it is worth. But I don't know enough to tell. Any thoughts?
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 16 Dec 2007 10:51 pm
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You're pulling our legs right?  If not.It's a Sho~Bud finger Tip..Well most or part of it is. |
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Matt Pynn
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 16 Dec 2007 11:01 pm
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| Thanks! |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 16 Dec 2007 11:36 pm
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While the horn does look very much like a Sho-Bud fingertip model
The "dog ear" on the rear of the left endplate doesn't look it
The pedals don't look like it
The straight line taper of the wooden necks looks wrong
The inlay looks to be in the wrong places on top of cabinet and on back apron
I have owned two Original Sho-Bud Fingertips (D-10 and D-9)
These things look different to me
The inlay positioning looks like something Marlen would do
The endplate looks similiar to something I have seen on a Wheeler 
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Matt Pynn
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 16 Dec 2007 11:49 pm
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Just to clarify, I have not seen this instrument in person yet. These are the pictures the seller sent me today. I wasn't sure what I was looking at without a shot from the front. Thanks again!
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Matt Pynn
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 12:13 am
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| Thanks Paul! |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 8:14 am
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Interesting guitar! I love it! But I think it's a copy of a Fingertip. The fretboard logos aren't Shobud. They look more like crowns or castles. Can't zoom in enough to be certain. There were people copying Shobuds back then, like Miller, maybe Wheeler. The endplate cutout shape could be an "M" or a "W".
Notice also that the legs go straight down to the floor, not at an angle like Shobud legs. My 59 Perm, and my Fingertip have legs that angle out, giving the guitar a larger footprint, and makin' it more stable.
It does have the same binding as my F-tip, just not in the same places. I also agree with Paul about the other differences he spotted. |
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Chet Wilcox
From:
Illinois, USA (deceased)
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 8:25 am
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| its not a Wheeler |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 8:28 am
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The kitchen cabinet "get off stage quickly" handles are not the style Shobud used. The changer endplate, while very similar, has some notable differences also. On my guitars, there are no wood screws into the end of the tops. The switch number, and placement is different. My F-tip has coil taps and a neck selector switch, and a pot. The Perm has an on/off switch for each neck but no coil-taps, and two pots.
All that said, all Shobuds back then were essentially custom guitars. You had all sorts of selections as far as woods, inlays, set-up, etc.. But the fingerboards ain't Shobud. So,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 8:33 am
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| Also, the inside of the keyheads don't appear to be stepped like a Shobud, and on my F-tip, the 5th and 6th string tuners are offset. They're not on this guitar. However, on my Perm, the tuners are not offset. Wish I could zoom in more, but it just de-rezzes. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 10:04 am
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I'm gonna say it's a Marlen! Go to Ricky's House of Wood site, and look at the front view of Peter Madsen’s 1968 Marlen D-10. Newer guitar, same style inlay, same style endplate cut-outs. Yup, Marlen! (I think!)
And I think it's great!
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Matt Pynn
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 10:40 am
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I just got these photos! Mystery somewhat solved.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2007 10:53 am
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| Walters could be a music store???? I've never heard of a Walters' steel. Could be, but it sure looks like a Marlen! |
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Casey Lowmiller
From:
Kansas
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Posted 19 Dec 2007 5:21 pm
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Whatever it is, it is slick looking!!! If the price was right, I'd probably buy it. It might have tone to the bone & just a real nice vintage sound.
Casey
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2007 5:42 pm
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| Casey! I'm sure you're right. This guitar will probably sound fantastic. Set up as a LDG type S-10, the sound will probably be killer. |
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Casey Lowmiller
From:
Kansas
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Posted 19 Dec 2007 8:26 pm
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Heck, I'd just see how well it functions as a D-10 before I went moddin'it. Might have a great sounding C6 neck on it. The craftsmanship looks nice.
Casey
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2007 3:31 am
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Casey, I got this mystery guitar thread mixed up with the other mystery guitar thread! The other guitar is the one missing the C6th parts. Of course I wouldn't strip this guitar down.
Dis be dat thread:http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=123543 |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2007 8:24 pm
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The Speedy West guitars built by Marlen used the kitchen handles on the endplates. Miller's also used them, but that's definitely not a Miller.
PRR |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2007 7:24 am
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I'm still leanin' towards Marlen because of the way the sides of the endplates are cut. Here's another pic.
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Larry Robbins
From:
Fort Edward, New York
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Posted 24 Dec 2007 12:36 pm
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I believe that I have heard our good friend Bobbe Seymour mention "Walter" steel guitars before. You might want to ask him. 
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2007 1:09 pm
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| Larry, if that's true, it's another builder to add to the list of those who slavishly copied Shobud! It also shows that David Jackson made a mistake to not file his copyrights in a more timely fashion. Of course, things were changing so quickly, and so dramatically, back then, who knew what to expect next? |
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