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Topic: 10 String Tuning |
James Harrison
From:
New Brockton, Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Sep 2007 9:49 pm |
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| I have an elderly friend, who is not a forum member that has been trying to learn Pedal Steel on a Carter Starter. He just cannot get the pedals and levers to do the right things. He can play some non pedal tunes and likes the B,E,G#,B,E,G# on 10,8,6,5,4,3,. What would you use on 1,2,7,and 9 strings? To keep it simple for him how would B,E,G#,B,E,G#,B,E,G#,B or is that too much repetition, but he could still use the pedals some for some chord changes, remember he will not be playing paid gigs, just a few local jams. I welcome any reccomendations. James |
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Dion Stephen
From:
Kansas, USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2007 2:06 am
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| my advice would be the C6 tuning that they use for 10 string pedal steel guitar. |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2007 9:52 am
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This one works for me:
F#
E
C#
B
A
G#
F#
E
C#
B
I think of it as E9 with pedals up and down. |
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Edward Meisse
From:
Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2007 7:30 pm
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When Tom Morrell went from pedal to non, he went to G#-F#-E-C#-B-G#-F#-E-D-E from top to bottom.
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Fred Bova
From:
Connecticut, USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2007 8:43 pm
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| Let him leave off the 1st and 2nd strings and then follow the Ralph Mooney tuning with the g# on top on down. Who says he has to have 10 strings if 8 work fine. |
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James Harrison
From:
New Brockton, Alabama, USA
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Posted 27 Sep 2007 8:15 pm
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| Thanks guys for the suggestions, I thought I would have more than this, but I guess it matters being unknown. James |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 5:35 am
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James,
I have posted a tuning that I use without much feedback about it. Tunings are just too personal. It might make sense to one person and look like sheer stupidity to another. My 2 non-pedal 10 string tunings are (from low to high) E-G-B-D-E-G-B-D-E-G and G+-B-E-F+-G+-B-E-G+-D-F+ and they both make sense to me! BTW, that high G on the first tuning ends up being a .011 or .012, so that is the highest pitch that is safe for the string tension. Find the old string gauge chart on the forum. I have copies if it's no longer available. It helps to get the right srings and feel of the strings. Just find a tuning and try it, if it is wrong for you and clumsy feeling change it! If it works it's good!! 
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 5:46 am
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I just consulted my handy-dandy sting chart to find that you would have to have avery low tuning to get a B on both ends, .019-.066 or have a tuning that works like the Nashville E9 getting lower on the first string. A G+ would work there with an .011. Or you could try a 6th tuning for flavor.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Sonny Jenkins
From:
Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 7:41 am
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| I don't know what Billy Robinsons tuning is,,,but he does wonders with it,,,anyone know??? |
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Ben Rubright
From:
Punta Gorda, Florida, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 11:25 am
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From lo to hi:
F-A-C-E-G-A-C-E-G-D
The D is a chromatic that is frequency wise between the C and E.
That is the tuning that he told me he used as of ISGC 2006 and I doubt that he has changed it any. Why should he? What else is there to do that he doesn't do? |
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J D Sauser
From:
Wellington, Florida
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 4:49 pm
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I think that once you have over 8 strings, it would be of advantage to add "pulls" on the outside... which is commonly referred to as an inside out tuning. Just two out of chord string (you may want to call them "chromatics", if you prefer) can generate not 2 more single notes but a world new chords and handy harmony positions.
Against C6th, B, D and C# have opened worlds to me.
... J-D. |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 22 Jan 2008 3:05 am Another look at it
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I have been in 10 string E lapsteel tuning mode for 2 days now.
So I have been thinking in chord building logic the whole time.
[code]
I have a set of Ricky Davis C6 strings on the 'Thai-ing Pan' at the moment,
maybe not the best gauges.
I had this Low to high L-R :
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A E G# B C# E G# B E D
IV I III V VI I III V I bVII
bVI bIII V bVII I bIII V bVII bIII b9
I V VII 9 III V VII 9 V IV
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versus this bottom end; Low to High
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B D# F# B C# E G# B E D
V VII 9 V VI I III V I bVII
I III V I 9 IV VI I IV bIII
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What I am most missing is a diminish or half diminished passing chord.
middle B to A would do it,
but leave a giant IV sus in the E chord to avoid...
So it went to this one:
E6, E7, E9, E7sus4
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B D# F# A C# E G# B E D
V VII 9 IV VI I III V I bVII
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C#m7b9
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B D# F# A C# E G# B E D
bVII 9 IV VI I bIII V bVII bIII b9 |
B7, B9 & B7Sus4, Bm69
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B D# F# A C# E G# B E D
I III V bVII 9 IV VI I IV bIII |
D#m7b5 (half dim), D# aug (no 3rd)
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B D# F# A C# E G# B E D#
V I bIII bV bVII b9 IV #V b9 VII
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F#m7, F#m6, F#7sus4, Fm#9
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B D# F# A C# E G# B E D
IV VI I bIII V bVII 9 IV bVII #V
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No maj7, but I won't miss it that much,
and can tune up the 1st string
and still have plenty of b7s around
I want to cross between blues, jazz
and a little country with one tuning.
I'll play it out tomorrow night and see.
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DLD, Chili farmer. Plus bananas and papaya too.
Real happiness has no strings attached.
But pedal steels have many! |
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Michael Lee Allen
From:
Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 22 Jan 2008 6:09 am
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Alkire EHARP...
015...E
018...C#
020...B
022...A
024...G# plain
024...G wound
026...F#
028...F
030...E
036...C#
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 22 Jan 2008 8:49 am
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| Seems like everyone has missed the point. The man only likes the straight E major strings. He doesn't like the pedals, and he doesn't like 6ths, 7ths and chromatics. Rick is right that you can't have anything above the top G#. If you want to completely ignore the pedals and levers, and get rid of all the 7th, 9th and chromatics, you could remove the top two strings, and tune (lo to hi) E G# B E G# B E G#. If you want to keep the strings symetrical on the neck, you could remove the highest and lowest strings, and shift this tuning up one string. Either way the pedals and levers would mostly not work right unless some were shifted to other strings, and I'm not sure you can do that on a Carter Starter. With a pro model, once this player got use to the above pure E major tuning, I think he could easily learn to appreciate A and B pedals set up to pull the G# and B strings to give A, the IV chord. And he could then learn to use the A pedal alone to give the relative minor chord. Eventually he might learn to appreciate a C pedal to get the IIm, and maybe the E-lower lever to get another minor position. This guy just needs it really simple. All the attempts to give him 7ths, 6ths and chromatic strings are just going to frustrate him. He's not interested in the more complicated chords those give him. If he wants to completely give up on the pedals, and go strictly to lap steel playing, he would probably be happiest with a simple Dobro tuning. Or, if he has some guitar background, he might prefer an E major tuning. Again, he is just not going to want extra strings messing up his major chord. If he could learn to tolerate one extra string, then a simple 6th tuning would be good, not necessarily for the 6th, but because it would give him minor chords. Some people just don't like the complication of the extra strings. And if you look at what Dobro players do, maybe not everybody needs the complicated steel tunings. |
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Ulrich Sinn
From:
California, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2008 7:36 pm Tom Morrell tuning
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| When Tom Morrell went from pedal to non, he went to G#-F#-E-C#-B-G#-F#-E-D-E from top to bottom. |
I always wondered:
strings 8 - 9 -10: E - D - E
Sting 1: major third up from regular tuning?
is this an octave between 8 and 10? and a major second down form 8?
What gauges would be used for this tuning?
Thanks for your help,
U. |
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Edward Meisse
From:
Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2008 10:01 pm
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1st string is a major 3rd up from the usual E. Probably about a .011. Yes, an octave between 8 and ten. Yes a major 2nd between 8 and 9. You'll have to go to a string chart for other guages.
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