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Topic: PALM PEDALS and HIPSHOT tuning thing |
Ed Altrichter
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Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2004 3:36 pm |
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| I've seen PALM PEDALS and that HIPSHOT thing advertised, that is supposed to give lots of different tunings.. is that a scam, or what ? |
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Brad Bechtel
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San Francisco, CA
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Posted 11 Mar 2004 4:00 pm
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No, it's not a scam at all. Jerry Douglas is one of the many satisfied users.
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Brad's Page of Steel
A web site devoted to acoustic & electric lap steel guitars
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Donald Ruetenik
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Pleasant Hill, California, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2004 6:14 pm
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| I have a HIPSHOT TRILOGY 6 and 8 and they work perfectly. Good product. |
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Mar 2004 6:55 pm
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Yes, I have installed the "Hip-Shot" on Fender Stringmasters in the not too distant past for customers. Did I like the results? YES!!! This is a great unit and I can't believe more folks aren't using this unit on "no-ped" steel guitar.
Bobbe Seymour
Steel Guitar Nashville, |
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seldomfed
From:
Colorado
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Posted 15 Mar 2004 12:15 pm
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I have the Hipshot Trilogy 8 on a guitar I built. It works fine. Trick is to select the right guage strings - similar to setting up a pedal steel. I use it to switch between a C6 and B11. Half step changes seem the best. Although, I can re-tune it just as fast manually. But I do like the Hipshot. It's sorta like using a calculator instead of adding in your head  You don't need it but it helps.
Now if you want infinite tuning capability, and don't want to worry about string guages,
get one of these http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcousticPreview/US/
I wonder if it can be played with a slide? I'm going to find out. The reso tones are intriguing.
Would this be cool for a lap steel or what?
You could have a frypan, ricky bakelite, wiesenborn, tricone, etc. all in one instrument - ouch? I'd buy one!
chris
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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com
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Bob Stone
From:
Gainesville, FL, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2004 1:45 pm
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| The Variax concept is terrific. Wouldn't it be cool if they made a lap steel instrument that could reproduce the tone of classic instruments (or nearly so) as Chris K. mentioned above and change to virtually any tuning electronically? It seems that the technology is here. Or how about just a module that would change tunings electronically? Mind boggling. |
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Jeff Strouse
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Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2004 3:41 pm
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Cool guitar...that would be awesome as a steel guitar!
On the hipshot trilogy, it is easy to work with or complicated to use? I assume during a song you could play a lick in one tuning, quickly hit a couple of levers, and be in another for the next lick. Any problems with strings staying in tune? |
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Donald Ruetenik
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Pleasant Hill, California, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2004 6:41 pm
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The TRILOGY is very easy to operate but requires a bit of strategy to set up in regards to proper string guaging as Chris mentions. Your assumption is correct about the quick operation during a song and the strings do stay in tune.
I'm amazed that this product isn't more popular. One would think the design 'taylor-made' for non-pedal steel guitar.
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Jeff Strouse
From:
Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2004 7:47 pm
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Chris -
For your 8 string, does the 8 string trilogy unit require a specific string spacing at the bridge, or can it be customized for those that prefer a wider or narrower spacing? |
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seldomfed
From:
Colorado
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Posted 16 Mar 2004 10:55 am
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Here's how I did it http://www.seldomfed.com/berkley/trilogy.htm
Jeff: String spacing is a tad greater than the common 3/8", if I remember it's 7/16. I sort of like the wider spacing. The trilogy I have is one piece with built in adjustable bridge saddles, I don't think they do that anymore. So I suppose by creating your own saddle you can accomodate some spacing variations.
It's easy to use and I can leave the Stringmaster home and still have a 'two neck' guitar. And theoretically 3**8 = 6,561 necks (I think).
The use model for this thing is just to quickly re-tune your guitar. If you want to retune between licks - that's a pedal steel I've played slack key for 30 years and lots of open tunings on guitars so I'm comfortable with multi tunings, as I get more used to the steel tunings I find that perhaps the mechanical thing isn't that necessary, but it is nice.
I don't have a roller bridge and I think that would help. It stays in tune about 97% of the time , I still have to tweak it sometimes. Esp. for that low C in the Hawaiian C13.
I orig. thought this would be really cool for all the tunings out there until I remembered the string guage issue - rats.
I also checked with the Transperformance folks here in town (Ft. Collins, CO). They said they'd help me put their system in a six string if I paid the R&D. Yikes. Not worth it, but it would be cool. http://209.130.59.73/index1.html Rumor is they're trying to hook up with Fender or Gibson for a cost-effective entry point. Now it's too expensive for the masses.
SO this new Line6 Variax looks like it could really provide all the multi-tuning functions for lap steel! If it can do the tone it would be wild. I think the value would be the capability to quickly try different tunings. You know - have it loaded with JB tunings, Leon's tunings, Leavitt tunings etc. so you could quickly try things. It just seems to make sense to me. I sent Line6 an email for a new product suggestion. If you all do as well perhaps we'll be able to get one.
I've heard the elec. Variax and you'd be amazed at the sounds. But I don't think it does multi-tunings.
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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon" www.book-em-danno.com
[This message was edited by seldomfed on 16 March 2004 at 11:01 AM.] [This message was edited by seldomfed on 16 March 2004 at 11:03 AM.] [This message was edited by seldomfed on 16 March 2004 at 11:09 AM.] |
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Steinar Gregertsen
From:
Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Mar 2004 1:19 pm
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I just visited the Hipshot Trilogy website, but can't find any info on an 8-string bridge?
Steinar
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seldomfed
From:
Colorado
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Posted 17 Mar 2004 9:12 am
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re: no 8 string Trilogy info.
Yup, the info was there and seems to be gone. Back in 2000 they advertised the 8 string bridge, and also eluded to a new lap steel coming from them. That's when I orderd mine. It took me 5 months to get it. Clearly a one-off process even then. Gradually the product got less visibility. Finally, last year they said it was avail. but without bridge saddles.
Yet another victim of the limited market for our favorite and rare instruments. If 8 strings were hip, you'd find hardware everywhere!
chrisk
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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com
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db
From:
Bethlehem, PA 18015 USA
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Posted 15 May 2004 10:14 am
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Where you talking about this?
PS-67 by db Systems / Bigsby Palm Pedals
Bigsby Palm Pedals
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Dan Balde
U-12/8&5, S-7/D 3&1, S-6/E&A
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Ron Bednar
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Rancho Cordova, California, USA
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 15 May 2004 1:56 pm
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that Transperformance gizmo is amazing  |
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db
From:
Bethlehem, PA 18015 USA
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Posted 15 May 2004 2:50 pm
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Direct link:
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/6718/dbalde.html
BTW: The Chapman "Stick" has been around for more than 30 years...What does it have to do with Steel guitar?[This message was edited by db on 15 May 2004 at 03:50 PM.] |
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Ron Bednar
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Rancho Cordova, California, USA
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Posted 15 May 2004 3:11 pm
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| What does the stick have to do with steel guitar? About as much as the Variax. I just ran into it and had never seen it before, thought it was interesting and perhaps worth looking at for slide possibilities, would make killer hammer on's...didn't mean to stray off there db. [This message was edited by Ron Bednar on 15 May 2004 at 04:17 PM.] |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 15 May 2004 4:57 pm
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25 years ago i heard this young fellow who was busking at the Beaubourg Museum in Paris.
he was playing some Steely Dan tunes on a Stick. Awesome !
might not be a Steel guitar but it's Heavy |
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Chuck Fisher
From:
Santa Cruz, California, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 15 May 2004 6:00 pm
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If anybody is interested, I have a 6-string lap steel with the Hipshot Trilogy AND their roller-nut all set up. Its a Morrell Pro-6 with Grover keys and a DiMarzio pickup.
It works great, its a Maple guitar, a particularly heavy piece of rock maple was used on this one. Morrells are cheepies but only the paint is morrell on this one. Sustains like mad.
Because of my disability/unorthadox playing position I cannot play it as the Trilogy is in my way, a player using normal technique would not have this issue.
I wish I could use it, its really neat, however it must go to a good home. $450 + shipping, has case (chipboard) The hardware is pretty much worth that.
It does E D DADGAD E7 Em Em7 G C and others.
CF[This message was edited by Chuck Fisher on 15 May 2004 at 07:10 PM.] |
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Craig Prior
From:
National City, California, USA
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Posted 15 May 2004 6:39 pm
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Ed, the Hipshot Trilogy allows you to cover a wide range of repertoire tunings on one guitar during the course of one set.
I use the 6-string Trilogy, and I set the middle positions as C6 (lo to hi: C E G A C E). Now I can instantly change to the following tunings (lo to hi):
A7: C# E G A C# E
A6 (or F#m7): C# E F# A C# E
A9: C# E G A B E
and of course C6/A7 or C13.
Might handy. A truly great and innovative product.
Craig.
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 15 May 2004 8:10 pm
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Where can you get PALM PEDALS and or HIPSHOT for the Fender Stringmaster 8 - that sounds like just the ticket . you could use a single 8 and have it all .
I must be a mushroom out here in the far NW I never heard of this but it sure does have my attention .
Bob |
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db
From:
Bethlehem, PA 18015 USA
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Posted 16 May 2004 3:36 am
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Palm Pedals require a mounting space of 6 or more inches behind the bridge. So, mounting on an existing steel is difficult. A block of wood would have to be added to the end of the guitar. Better, is to have an eight string body custom designed for the palm pedal mounting.
I make a 5 palm pedal, 1 hip/knee lever model PS-67 that will effect changes in pitch of 6 of the 8 strings (1st and 8th or any other in-between strings "fixed"). It has the basic A, B, C pedal functions plus the lever (available with F or D lever functions).
Bigsby Palm Pedals
The web site only shows the assembly mounted on a std 7 string guitar for bottle-neck play, but they also work well with lap-play, by adding an end strap to your left leg or mounting a left leg post to hold the guitar in place when the lever is to be used.
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Dan Balde
U-12/8&5, S-7/D 3&1, S-6/E&A[This message was edited by db on 26 December 2004 at 09:34 AM.] |
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db
From:
Bethlehem, PA 18015 USA
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Posted 17 May 2004 6:49 pm
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Hey Ed...
Did you ever get your question answered?
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db
From:
Bethlehem, PA 18015 USA
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Posted 19 May 2004 6:17 pm
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Thanks for the contact Ed.
Here to help!
db |
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Steinar Gregertsen
From:
Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 May 2004 7:05 pm
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Well, I've just ordered a Trilogy bridge for a lap steel I'm putting together from a cheap strat body, Loni Specters "Redneck" squareneck, a set of Duncan pickups, and other parts I've collected over the years.....
I'm really looking forward to seing how this thing works,- would make life as a gigging musician a lot easier.
(Plus the idea of a three-pickup lap steel is quite intriguing too!)
Steinar
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www.gregertsen.com
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