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Topic: what the best tuning for lap steel 6-8-10 |
GARYPHILLIPS
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SOMERSET, OHIO ,PERRY
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Posted 26 Jun 2004 4:11 pm |
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what the best tuning for lap steel guitar that everyone like the most.I'm just pedal steel player.like to start play some Lap steel.
tuning for
S-6 string
D-6 string
S-8 string
S-10 string
D-10 string
would you mix them up like 6-8 or 8-10 ?
Thanks Gary |
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Kevin Ruddell
From:
Toledo Ohio USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2004 5:43 pm
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| I use Jerry Byrd's C6/A7 lo to hi C#EGACE on six string and AC#EGACEG on eight string but tune the C# down to C for some songs. I sometimes enjoyed substituting a .20 plain string tuned to a B instead of the low A so I could play " Misty " and drop a Maj 7TH chord on the mix. I'd like to try the A6 and E13 tunings but I have plenty on my plate at present learning the C stuff first. I haven't used the open E on lap but it's suited for blues and the Hop Wilson sound. |
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 27 Jun 2004 8:05 am
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Gary, that's a lot of necks and strings you're asking about. Tough to answer in a single post. Your best bet would be to search past threads on non pedal tunings. You would have a ton of information on all kinds of tunings and variations thereof. You will be so overwhelmed that you may stick to pedal steel!  |
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Denny Turner
From:
Oahu, Hawaii USA
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Posted 28 Jun 2004 5:34 pm
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To start learning non-pedal techniques and scale / chord navigation, I suggest:
(Low to high):
6 STRING = 1 3 5 6 1 3
8 STRING = 6 1 3 5 6 1 3 5
10 STRING = 3 5 6 1 3 5 6 1 3 5
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Once the above are understood and practiced well, 10 string (and even 8 string) tunings can progressively and intuitively afford a wide range of choices in the lower octave:
6TH TUNING =
1 5 6 1 3 5 6 1 3 5 OR
13TH TUNING =
5 6 b7 1 3 5 6 1 3 5 OR
1 6 b7 1 3 5 6 1 3 5 OR
1 5 b7 1 3 5 6 1 3 5
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Once those tunings are understood and practiced to accomplishment, then the many other tunings and reasons expressed on the SGF should be studied for understanding and any experimentatal choices then desired.
(An advanced 6th tuning for 8 or 10 strings, and not mentioned allot, is adding a 9th note on top)
I personally think the shortest route to more fully understanding and playing the Steel is in the 6th tuning; And that trying others will only confuse and slow down the learning process; NOTWITHSTANDING that if a Player already plays Dobro or slide tunings, he/she will likely enjoy motivation and dexterity practice in also occasionally playing with those tunings in the process of learning Steel on a 6th tuning.
The 6th and the diatonic tunings are the only tuning I have found that affords complete scale and chord straight-tone-bar boxes that further readily / easily substitute for all common scales and chords also with full scales intact; But I wouldn't suggest trying to learn Steel with the diatonic tuning, unless a person were a string-harp player or understood modal theory well or were a glutton for punishment !
Aloha,
DT~
[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 28 June 2004 at 06:41 PM.] |
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GARYPHILLIPS
From:
SOMERSET, OHIO ,PERRY
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Posted 28 Jun 2004 7:55 pm
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Hello Denny.I love to come to Hawaii someday
see it all.Denny are there vary many Pedal steel player in Hawaii.
thanks for the tuning setup
also Denny do they have any streets in Hawaii that has the name Ohio.Thanks Gary in Ohio.[This message was edited by GARYPHILLIPS on 28 June 2004 at 08:56 PM.] |
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Denny Turner
From:
Oahu, Hawaii USA
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Posted 30 Jun 2004 7:15 am
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Hello Gary,
If you're gonna try to see it "all" ....ya might better pack a big lunch and bring a couple extra pair of shorts, ....and come on over; There's "allot" of real estate to cover here! I was a working pilot here from 1983 'til 1996 and only got to see about 70% ...and I tried REAL hard to see as much as I could !
I quite performing regularly here 2 years ago to spend more productive time in my geetar shop; So I'm not out there to know any new Pedal Steelers that might have showed up on that scene since then; And the only 2 working Pedal Steelers I know of on Oahu now (and for quite some time) are Andrew Devalchec and Keoni Wagner on Oahu, ...and a fellow on Maui (I can't remember his name), ...and Tom Morrel's old pickin-buddy Jerald Carey on the Big Island, ....and another fellow I've heard about that started learning a couple years ago and has done a little bit of studio work on Pedal Steel. Although there surely must be a few others I don't know about. I'd sure like to know of any more, ...to put their names in my database. Problem here is that live music has steadily dried up over the last 20 years with about all that remains are on-base military clubs, and a few very few SMALL rooms in Waikiki, Honolulu and around the island. Most of even the most well known Musicians here have other jobs to make ends meet. I would guess that the live Music scene here state-wide is probably only comparable to a Mainland USA city with a population of about 100,000 people.
The only street names in the phone book even close to Ohio are Olohio (oh'-low-hee'-oh) and Ohiohi (oh'-hee-oh'-hee); Although USA city names are quite common for street names and I'm sure Ohio cities are no exception. I would also surmise that one of the military bases here have an Ohio St as most military bases have state street names.
If you haven't run across it yet, here is a fretboard navigation map for 6th tuned non-pedal steel. And here is a discussion thread about it here on the SGF.
Aloha,
Denny T~
[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 30 June 2004 at 08:25 AM.] |
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GARYPHILLIPS
From:
SOMERSET, OHIO ,PERRY
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Posted 30 Jun 2004 12:02 pm
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Aloha Denny, just maybe i will get to come over there someday, I'm a pastor, and you never know wear the Lord is going to send you, thanks for fretborad map.i will try it
I almost have my new 6 string lap steel borad done made out of old guitar pasts God Bless Thanks Gary [This message was edited by GARYPHILLIPS on 30 June 2004 at 01:03 PM.] |
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Denny Turner
From:
Oahu, Hawaii USA
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Posted 30 Jun 2004 7:34 pm
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Gary,
The Lord do work in miraculous ways. A long time ago ...driving cars and motorcyles like a bat out of hell, living in the fastest lanes I could find, and flying helicopters in vietnam, and airplanes after that, ....it became quite apparant that God was riding with me; And I'm sure I scared the heck out of him a few times. Amost every single day I look out the backyard at the ocean and wonder like heck how in the world I ever wound up here exactly where I always dreamed of being and doing exactly what I always dreamed of doing, ....against unfathomable odds. I can only attibute it to that power God built into our trusting his direction and timing!
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If you haven't already, this SGF has a treasure trove of info and important details and calculations for building a lap steel guitar. Brad's page(s) of Steel also has a link to material (by John Tipka if I remember correctly) about building a lap steel. Even with about 40 years experience building geetars, ...before I occasionally build a Steel I still do and print out an inventory of info on the SGF, as a refresher and checklist, searched on the SGF by the name / subject of each phase and part.
I trust the Steel you are building will be rewarding. Please feel free to email me and ask or share any info you might desire in that process. I'm sure this SGF also feels the same about things you might desire to post here.
Aloha,
DT~
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