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Topic: Advice on pull required |
Dave Marshall
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 2:48 pm |
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Hello everyone!
I am a new member but definitely not a trained musician. I'm a PS wannabe.
I made my own 12-string E9 4+4 and I was trying to choose a copedent, and had one pull left over.
So on RKR I put a one fret raise on strings one and seven since I saw that some of you guys had done that. But how do you use it? I know that the G on string seven can be used for the "Ernest Tubb" run. Maybe there is a better pull to use instead. Thanks in advance for your help.
Here's my copedent:
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| STRING | NOTE | LKL | LKR | P1 | P2 | P3 | P4 | RKL | RKR |
| GA NUM | LET NUM | | | | | | | | |
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| 013 | 1 | F# 2 |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......| G 3b |
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| 015 | 2 | D# 7 |.......| D 7b |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 011 | 3 | G# 3 |.......|.......|.......| A 4 |.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 014 | 4 | E 1 | F 1# |.......|.......|.......| F# 2 |.......| Eb 7 |.......|
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| 017 | 5 | B 5 |.......|.......| C# 6 |.......| C# 6 | Bb 5b |.......|.......|
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| 020 | 6 | G# 3 |.......| F# 2 |.......| A 4 |.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 026w| 7 | F# 2 |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......| G 3b |
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| 030 | 8 | E 1 | F 1# |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......| Eb 7 |.......|
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| 034 | 9 | D 7b |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 036 | 10 | B 5 |.......|.......| C# 6 |.......|.......| Bb 5b |.......|.......|
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| 046 | 11 | G# 3 |.......|.......|.......| A 4 |.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 060 | 12 | E 1 |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|
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Dave Marshall
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 2:53 pm
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| Sorry, guys. I had that all spaced out nicely in Courier font and it got all crunched up during the post. What a mess! |
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Dave Marshall
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 3:01 pm
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I replaced all spaces with alt-255 spacer, and added HTML font code. ========================================================================================
| STRING | NOTE | LKL | LKR | P1 | P2 | P3 | P4 | RKL | RKR |
| GA NUM | LET NUM | | | | | | | | |
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| 013 | 1 | F# 2 |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......| G 3b |
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| 015 | 2 | D# 7 |.......| D 7b |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 011 | 3 | G# 3 |.......|.......|.......| A 4 |.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 014 | 4 | E 1 | F 1# |.......|.......|.......| F# 2 |.......| Eb 7 |.......|
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| 017 | 5 | B 5 |.......|.......| C# 6 |.......| C# 6 | Bb 5b |.......|.......|
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| 020 | 6 | G# 3 |.......| F# 2 |.......| A 4 |.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 026w| 7 | F# 2 |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......| G 3b |
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| 030 | 8 | E 1 | F 1# |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......| Eb 7 |.......|
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| 034 | 9 | D 7b |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 036 | 10 | B 5 |.......|.......| C# 6 |.......|.......| Bb 5b |.......|.......|
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| 046 | 11 | G# 3 |.......|.......|.......| A 4 |.......|.......|.......|.......|
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| 060 | 12 | E 1 |.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|.......|
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[This message was edited by Dave Marshall on 04 April 2006 at 04:07 PM.] [This message was edited by Dave Marshall on 04 April 2006 at 04:08 PM.] |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 3:02 pm
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Dave---go here:
here
for guidance and try to bracket your chart in the "tab" code. |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 3:05 pm
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I don't use F# to G much although I do use F# to G# on both 1 and 7
F# to G is used to move the 6th to b7th tone on a pedals down 6th chord. For example, on strings 6,5,4,1 you have an A6 chord open. If you raise 1 a half step you will have an A7 chord.
I know b0b uses F# to G for many other applications -- like scales. Perhaps he'll elaborate.
here's an interesting little little chromatic snippet you can use
1-------0----0~~0#---------------
2--------------------------------
3---------------------0----0#----
4-0~~0#----0#------------0-------
(Flever)-----(F#-G)-------(B pedal)
--E--F--F#-F--F#-G----G#--E--A--
Chords move from E to A on the last note
E7/////////////////////////A
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 04 April 2006 at 04:22 PM.] |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 3:49 pm
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On your KL to raise e-f, you might want to do what I did on my 12st ext e9, and lower the 12 stg from e-c#. Cool change, I like it alot!
JE:-)> |
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Michael Barone
From:
Downingtown, Pennsylvania
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 3:58 pm
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Dave, if you need to play an open position 7th chord with the 7th on top, (or a related riff) you will lose the third of the chord with your LKR lowering G# to F# with the D# to D lower.
If you need the fourth tone of the "pedals down" chord (A & B pedals depressed) on string 2, LKR may split, lowering the root.
I'm not as experienced as most here, but I thought I would mention this. You may want to consider separating these pulls. I don't know if this will bother you or not. Hopefully someone of experience will also see this and comment.
Mike |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 6:17 pm
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This should help you to get about all you'll ever need for some very interesting playing! ––––––LL––LR––1––2––3––4––RL––RR––
F#____________G#__________G________
D#____________E________________D___
G#__________________A______________
E_____F___Eb___________F#__________
B________________C#____C#__________
G#__________________A_____F#_______
F#_____________________________G___
E____F/F#_Eb_______________________
D______________________________C#__
B________________C#________________
G#__________________A______________
E__________________________________
If you use the Day Setup, just reverse P's 1-2-3-4 and then reverse LL & LR and also RL & RR, for comfort!
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“Big John”
a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
Current Equipment
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Dave Marshall
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 6:52 pm
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John L., thanks for the UBBCode tip. You and Larry were quick on the draw. I got it sorted HTML style before I saw your posts.
Larry, thanks for the snippet and the explanation.
Jim, thanks for the string-12 C# tip.
Mike, I mainly use LKR with RKL to get a V chord, and threw the 7b on string-2 in along with it to save a lever. (I'm still in pedal kindergarten)
John B., thank you for the copedent. I guess you use the dual G#,E on strings 1,2,3,4 when you are strumming, is that it?
I have an old Mel Bay pedal book by Don Sharp which uses 4 pedals only; P1 and P2 are the same as Nashville, P3 was the 5b pull, and P4 gave the (752) down chord on strings 4,5,6, and the (375)IIIm on strings 3,4,5. I notice that your copedent doesn't have the Bb pull.
You guys certainly know how to make a novice feel welcome. Thanks again.[This message was edited by Dave Marshall on 04 April 2006 at 08:26 PM.] |
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Dave Marshall
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 4 Apr 2006 6:57 pm
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The way Don Sharp explains it, you get a partial 9th two frets to the left of the major with the 5b pull.
By the way, he uses only triads in his book.
I did a search on the net for him but his name never showed up.[This message was edited by Dave Marshall on 04 April 2006 at 08:08 PM.] |
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Dave Marshall
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 5 Apr 2006 5:01 am
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| Sorry ... intended post did not display properly. [This message was edited by Dave Marshall on 05 April 2006 at 07:06 AM.] |
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