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Topic: Other Genre's of steel |
Roger Miller
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Cedar Falls, Ia.
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Posted 18 Feb 2005 5:53 pm |
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| Has anyone ever came across steel in other types of music as Middle Eastern, Jamaican, Gypsie, just other genre's of music? We sure know about Hawiian music, but after listening to Django, the thought came up. |
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Ricky Littleton
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Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2005 6:25 pm
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Did a reggae gig on Ascenion, but it was...
Well, bad.
Not all my fault, but it just didn't work
Rick...
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Larry Strawn
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Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 8:55 am
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Hmmmm,,I think you just made my mind up for me..A local raggae band just asked me to do a gig with them..I was thinkin about it,not to hard tho,,I think this clinched it, gonna pass! Thanx for the input
Larry S.
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 9:00 am
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| King Sunny Ade used a steel player in his African pop music ensemble, they were pretty big in America in the 80's. |
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Steinar Gregertsen
From:
Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 9:17 am
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Acoustic lap steel has been used in Indian music for a very long time, check out Debashish Bhattacharya, one of the masters of this style.
Steinar
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Jerry Clardy
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El Paso, Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 9:45 am
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We used to cover some raggae. Jimmy Cliff's Many Rivers To Cross was one tune. There was a period in country music that raggae was used some in the style. The Bellamy Brothers had some raggae in their repertoire. We used to take some of the stock tunes and play them in a raggae style.
It's really fun music. Just find a niche or a pocket and be happy! The rhythmic feel is important for this style but melody lines or patterns or slides that interact are fun, too. Any instrument can play it. It's just to maintain the feel and the phrasing.
It's a simple, fun style of music. |
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Larry Strawn
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Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 9:56 am
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Well Jerry!!! Maybe I'll rethink my statement!! I never was much of a Rock fan ether, but after doning 6 or 7 gigs with a classic Rock band, I found I had a lot of fun, and it was DEFINATLY a learning expierience!! Thanx
Larry S.[This message was edited by Larry Strawn on 19 February 2005 at 10:03 AM.] |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 10:04 am
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I've heard it used in country music, too. 
Seriously, I play in a rock band, and many of our fans don't realize that it's used in country music until they hear us play a country tune. Then they recognize "that sound".
BJ Cole plays techno dance music sometimes, as well as many other forms. Bruce Kaphan plays new age music. Mike Perlowin plays classical music in his studio and blues on stage. David Phillips plays fusion. Many steel players play traditional jazz and bop.
I think that the only genres that are "closed" to pedal steel are those that don't accept electric instruments, e.g. folk music forms. Once the door is open to electric guitar, it's open to pedal steel as well. There's no reason not to go through it.
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Jerry Clardy
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El Paso, Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 10:05 am
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Oh, yeah. I long for the good ole days of playing anything we could think of. Especially with the steel. Rock, Country Rock,..., we used to cover Super Freak and songs like that, too. It was fun times, I tell ya! Wish I could do it again. The challenges keep you excited.
Come to think of it, Jimmy Buffet has some raggae feel in a lot of his "island-type" music. All of his tunes are fun for steel, too. |
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Jerry Clardy
From:
El Paso, Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 11:19 am
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Bob Marley has a lap steel on one of his recordings, and Toots and the Maytals used a pedal steel on one of theirs. However this was just one song in each case, and neither steel player was part of the group.
In the case of the Toots and the Maytals song, the pedal steel was very prominent in the mix. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 11:50 am
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Let is not forget Susan Alcorn's and Chas Smith's experimental work, Ned Self's original compositions, Marshal Hall's "Classical steel guitar" Lp (my inspiration), Joe Goldmark's rock and roll CDs, Bobby Black's pop rock "Honkey Cat" album and Robert Powell's new age music.
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Dave Grafe
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Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 12:27 pm
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If you play clubs or jams most of us end up playing lots of blues and rock stuff, maybe comping piano or organ riffs or horn and guitar parts if nothing else.
At one time or another I also have played Motown, Mambos, Calypso, Reggae, and yes, Middle Eastern stuff with the steel. Also "city noise" and "fire sounds" effects for film soundtracks (can't say as it all worked that well, but we did it). Most extraordinary moment probably was playing a reggae version of "Bad Moon Rising" with a jazz piano and a didgeridoo with a middle eastern band (The Brothers of the Baladi) - amazingly, THAT worked!
I sat in one night at a funk jam and stayed on the stage all night 'cause there wasn't room in the house for me to get down. At the end of the night the drummer's cousin came up to me and said "That was really interesting, I learned a lot, but DON'T YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN, YOU HEAR?" He meant it, too.
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David Yannuzzi
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Pomona , New York, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 2:04 pm
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| I have 2 Vinyl from Brazil W/ a steel player named Poly. the records are from the 50's or 40's. His style of playing is very Hawaiian. The music and the band are playing a more Brazilian style and rhythms. It's pretty cool.-Dave |
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Brendan Dunn
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 3:18 pm
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I have a casstte tape titled "R.K. Instrumental VOL.1" "ON ELECTRIC HAWAIIAN GUITAR"
I think it is music for Indian film soundtracks, some of the arrangements seem almost western in structure, the embellishments on the melody and percussions sound very Indian.....very cool stuff!
Also found a neat little paperback book in a local Indian food store titled "Learn To Play On Guitar, Electric, Hawaiian and Spanish" it teaches the basics including "Foreign Notation System" (what we in the US and Europe call standard notation) and Chord diagrams, another section outlines the Indian system of swaras and shruties, talas & layas. It shows how to play "Back in the Saddle Again" "Little Brown Jug" "Buffalo Gals" with lyrics in English, as well as some popular Indian film songs like "Chhup gae sare nazare" and "Miltee hai zindagi" with lyrics in Hindi (I think) .....the back cover is a picture of Keith Richards.
Brendan[This message was edited by Brendan Dunn on 19 February 2005 at 03:22 PM.] |
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Roger Edgington
From:
San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 3:34 pm
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| I have recorded with several Tejano artists and even did a gig or two. I"ll try about anything once except for maybe rap. |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 19 Feb 2005 5:40 pm
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| Bruce Kaphan, Slider - Ambient Excursions for Pedal Steel Guitar, including middle-eastern and east-indian influences. Not to mention David Gilmour's use of a Fender doubleneck steel (no pedals) for Pink Floyd, dating back to the 60s. Look at the back cover of the Ummagumma album. |
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2005 12:17 am
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I played on a string of mexican pop hit records in the early 80s, bands like Los Freddies, Los Potros, Los Buchis.
I've also done my share of electronica gigs here in Seattle.
That's in addition to my usual mix of recording and gigging doing blues, R&B, rock and roll, gospel, and too many g(*&%$# d(*&%$ singer songwriters.
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 20 Feb 2005 1:08 am
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but after listening to Django
I have played a few cafe gigs with a Django jazz Manouche group and brought the shobud.
Actually played with them last night, but on upright bass, not steel.
I had to add "minoring levers" on both necks to get enough speed and the right voicings for the style, but it is interesting.
Last might we had 2 guitars, 5 string electric fiddle, and clarinete.
Plus a rash of sit-ins last set... ooooch,
the audence loved it, but now I have blisters.. DRAT. |
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Dave Boothroyd
From:
Staffordshire Moorlands
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Posted 20 Feb 2005 1:53 am
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Has everyone forgotten Cajun Steel?
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Dave
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 20 Feb 2005 4:48 am
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Steel is easily adaptable to Reggae, it just takes the right touch. I have a CD of Celtic music that has pedal steel, and it sounds good as well.
You may find it beneficial to stay off the first four E9th strings when attempting other genres, as that's where most of those "whiney sounds" come from that offend so many listeners, and typecast our playing.
Can't play without using the "first four"?
Open your mind! |
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