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Topic: Another paycheck and Green gem! |
Andy Greatrix
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Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 6:21 am |
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I found a CD at the library, possibly the very first Johnny Paycheck recordings On Little Darlin Records. There is a tune called "Beyond the last Mile" about a guy wrongfully convicted for killing his wife.
He will be hanged in the morning. Anyway, not only does Johnny sing an emotionally charged performance, but Lloyd Green's solo will chill you to the bone. He approaches the 4 chord with an augmented chord constructed by half-peddling the A peddle that is sooooo in tune It's downright frightening.
the Name of the CD is
"The little Darlin' sound of Johnny Paycheck, the Beginning"
He also sings "Galway Bay".
As usual, Lloyd Green's playing is just absolutely amazing! |
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Walter Stettner
From:
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 6:57 am
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Andy,
All the songs on this compilation were recorded between 1958 and 1962, a few years before Lloyd started doing sessions in Nashville in 1964. I have the compilation, too, no information is given who the musicians are, but it is definitely not Lloyd playing on this one (but you are right, it is a great recording!)
Kind Regards, Walter
www.lloydgreentribute.com
www.austriansteelguitar.at.tf
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[This message was edited by Walter Stettner on 30 November 2004 at 06:58 AM.] |
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 7:05 am
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| I stand corrected. Does anyone know who the steel player is? The playing is heart tugging! |
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Glenn Suchan
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Austin, Texas
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 7:21 am
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Without hearing the songs, I would guess it might be Ben Keith or Walter Haynes. They were both doing session work at that time as well as Ralph Mooney, Jimmy Day and Buddy.
Keep on pickin'!
Glenn |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 8:09 am
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| Didn't Bobbe Seymour play with Paycheck for a while? |
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 8:42 am
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That was definitely Lloyd Green playing on "Lovin' Machine", which was on Little Darlin' records, so if he was on that, why couldn't he be on the other cuts as well?
Does anyone know when "The bridge washed out" with Warner Mack, was recorded? Maybe if Lloyd Green reads this, he could shed some light on this subject. |
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Greg Simmons
From:
where the buffalo (used to) roam AND the Mojave
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Graham
From:
Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 8:09 pm
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Paycheck recorded on 4 different labels between 1958 and 1964 under the name "Donny Young" (his real name) The labels were Decca, Mercury, Tod and American Canadian.
From 1964-66, he recorded on Hilltop under the name Johnny Paycheck.
He went to Little Darlin' in 1966. First LP was his "live" studio recording (Carnegie Hall). A lot of his material from this period was never released on record so it is highly likely that it is Lloyd Green on this song. I'm sure there will be more of this previously un-released material showing up on CD in the future.
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2004 10:09 pm
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WEll lets hear the song(s) in Question and I'll tell you who the steel player is.
Ricky |
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Graham
From:
Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2004 9:17 am
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I just listened to "Beyond the last Mile" and it certainly is not Lloyd. It is indeed a Sho~bud Permanent and can certainly be Emmons as Paycheck did use the Jones boys in the studio way back then on some stuff..but I'll tell ya...the playing and movement sounds very Jimmy Day to me. I'm waiting on the person that would know for sure and that is Jim Loessberg.
I did think I would know for sure; but also think it's important to be certain, as why I had to go to my ace in the hole>Loessberg.
Ricky[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 01 December 2004 at 09:46 AM.] |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2004 1:38 pm
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WEll this one is stumping all of us right now....ha....Herb Steiner may know??
All I can do really is guess.
Ricky |
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 1 Dec 2004 1:54 pm
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| Also, on the same recording is a version of Columbus Stockade Blues with the fills and solo on C6th. The rythm section is doing an uptempo walking bass pocket. Very enjoyable! [This message was edited by Andy Greatrix on 01 December 2004 at 01:55 PM.] |
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Lem Smith
From:
Long Beach, MS
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Posted 1 Dec 2004 7:09 pm
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I'm with Ricky...it sure sounds like Jimmy Day to me.
Lem |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2004 10:17 pm
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Well Herb seemed to think It's Jimmy Day also. That ShoBud sounds just like Jimmy's shobud and the playing that he did on Johnny Bush's sessions in the 60's; so I'm going to go with Jimmy Day...ah..ha.
Ricky |
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 2 Dec 2004 1:38 am
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| I went to Walter Stettner's website and I read that Ernest Tubb also recorded "Beyond The Last Mile" and had Buddy Charleton playing on it. Now that I would love to hear as well! |
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Walter Stettner
From:
Vienna, Austria
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Posted 2 Dec 2004 2:59 am
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Andy,
Check your e-mail!
ET recorded the song on June 11, 1962 with Buddy Charleton on Steel. It was included in the album "Just Call Me Lonesome" (which was a tribute to Rex Griffin.
Kind Regards, Walter
www.lloydgreentribute.com
www.austriansteelguitar.at.tf
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Graham
From:
Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 7 Dec 2004 7:57 pm
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Hope we can put this one to bed now. Heard from Lloyd Green that it is Buddy Emmons on this particular song. Also, this song was not done at Little Darlin' but was done in the late 50's. Little Darlin' didn't come along until 1966. Also from Lloyd, contrary to what AMG says, ALL Little Darlin' material by Paycheck was long ago released. Anything new coming along now, is material Johnny would have brought with him (demo tapes) when he signed with LD in '66, including this particular song, and which are now being released as Little Darlin' material, which they most definately were not.
IMO, the session leader at LD from 1966 on knows of that which he speaks. Case closed.
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 7 Dec 2004 10:20 pm
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Thanks Graham!
The only thing I had to go on was what was written on the CD. It certainly was some very fine steel playing! |
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Graham
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Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 8 Dec 2004 3:49 am
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Welcome, Andy. I agree with you on the playing. Can't go too far wrong with either Buddy or Lloyd playing on anything.
I just bought Johnny's first 4 LPs' he did on Little Darlin' and I will get some clips up on the site that do feature the playing of Lloyd Green. I've already recorded Lovin' Machine onto my computer and put clips from it up and will soon do Live at Carnegie Hall and Country Soul. 4th LP is a gospel album.
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Ben Rubright
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Punta Gorda, Florida, USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2004 4:29 am
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| Just for the record.....Johnny Paycheck's real name was Donald Eugene Lytle. He used Donny Young early in his singing career. |
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Ben Rubright
From:
Punta Gorda, Florida, USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2004 4:31 am
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| He legally changed his name to Johnny Paycheck later in his career. |
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Graham
From:
Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 8 Dec 2004 10:49 am
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Ben:
Further to just for the record, It was Mr. Mayhew, the man who started Little Darlin' records who gave him the name "Johhny Paycheck" -- courtesy Lloyd Green
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 8 Dec 2004 10:51 am
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| If it truly is Buddy Emmons on this CD, that would explain the hip C6th offerings on the Columbus Stockade Blues Cut. Check it out. |
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