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Topic: Royalties or Session Rates for Don Helms? |
Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 18 Nov 2004 11:00 am |
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I was listening to a CD a friend of mine had called "Men With Broken Hearts" by Hank Sr, Hank Jr, and Hank III. I didn't get to see the credits but this is one great CD. It's got the voice of Hank Sr. on all the tunes and on occasion it seems like they've put on some of Don Helms old steel breaks also. What I was wondering was this.. If they used Don's old steel rides would he get session pay for that new recording? It seems like he should but I've never thought about this kind of thing before. As they're doing this kind of thing with deceased artists (Hank Sr, not Don) more and more it really makes me wonder. If it's a new session and they used some instrumental work from an original session would that player get paid for the session....JH
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Roy Ayres
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Riverview, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Nov 2004 11:14 am
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Jerry,
I have played either steel or lead guitar on hundreds of records, some of which have been re-released, re-re-released, etc. for years, and all I ever received as a side man was the pay for the original session. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 18 Nov 2004 11:20 am
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Probably not. Side men get paid one flat fee when they do a session, and it doesn't matter if their work is re-released somewhere else, and it sells millions.
They never see another nickel.  |
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Pete Grant
From:
Auburn, CA, USA
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Posted 18 Nov 2004 1:37 pm
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| If they use a recording in a film, then it's a new use and you should get paid something for it. |
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Dave A. Burley
From:
Franklin, In. USA
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Posted 19 Nov 2004 9:21 am
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Roy said: I have played either steel or lead guitar on hundreds of records, some of which have been re-released, re-re-released, etc. for years, and all I ever received as a side man was the pay for the original session.
According to my limited knowledge on the subject, a player is paid only for the original session unless the session is used as part of another project.
Gretchen Wilson has a video out featuring many early scenes from the Grand Ole Opry featuring many late country music greats.
An artist or their estate is entitled to request royalties from this video as this video is a new project utilizing the talents of those artists to complete the session. Therefore a new session.
I thinks, and stand to be corrected.
Dave A. Burley
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Gene Jones
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Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 19 Nov 2004 9:41 am
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I have played on songs that have been on CD's and I did not receive royalties, and in some cases was not even "paid" for the original recording!
....but that's ok, I know what I did.
www.genejones.com [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 19 November 2004 at 10:22 AM.] |
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Nov 2004 6:15 pm
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Me too.
A friend gave me the sound track to Salton Sea and I'm in the credits. I not only didn't get paid, I didn't play on it. They evidently sampled me and used that. What's worse is that it was a union film and there is a "back end". It's not the first time that something I recorded got used on a different project, but usually the composer sends me a check for a "session", out of courtesy.
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| If they use a recording in a film, then it's a new use and you should get paid something for it. |
If it's not union, and they don't get a fee, you can forget about it. |
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Dan Sawyer
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Studio City, California, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2004 12:59 am
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| Chas, if the original recording you did was under an AFM union contract, you are owed what is called a "new use" payment (even if they sampled it). If it wasn't done under a contract, they still need to get your permission. Maybe you can negotiate something. Especially since they put your name on there. |
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