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Topic: Who's playing the CMA awards |
Jim Rice
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Littleton, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 9 Nov 2004 5:57 pm |
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I am watching the CMA Awards now and I catch a glimpse of Sara Evans steel player every once in a while but can't tell who it is. Great stuff.
Anybody know?
[This message was edited by Jim Rice on 09 November 2004 at 06:33 PM.] |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 9 Nov 2004 7:08 pm
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| Thats should be our own Gary Morse. [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 09 November 2004 at 07:17 PM.] |
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Brett Day
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Pickens, SC
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Posted 9 Nov 2004 9:06 pm
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| Gary was playing steel with both Sara Evans and Dierks Bentley on the CMA Awards. He was playing a Sho-Bud Pro II D-10. Brett, Emmons S-10, Morrell lapsteel |
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Jeff Lampert
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queens, new york city
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 1:56 am
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I caught about 3/4 of the show. Oher than the couple of decent spots for Gary Morse, the steel playing I saw was lame beyond imagination. Same for the guitar playing and fiddles. For the life of me, I don't get how over the entire 180 minutes of the show, there can be virtually non-existent instrumental originality. To be on that stage, I assume these are pro players . They all seem to have chops, fine intonation, etc. etc. etc., but what about an interesting lick here or there? You know, something with more than 3 notes that hasn't been played by everyone 100 times already. Enough with the slides and swells and harmonics. We get it. How about some actual musical composition? Maybe it's the producers of the songs that pull in the reins. If that's the reason, it's pathetic of them to want such unimaginative playing from their players. Whatever the reason, it was weak.
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Rick Garrett
From:
Tyler, Texas
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 3:23 am
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Who was that playing with Gretchen Wilson? Looked like maybe Johnny Cox. Whoever it was sounded AWESOME!!
Rick |
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Steve Hinson
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Hendersonville Tn USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 3:47 am
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| Jeff...the sidemen are usually expected to duplicate the licks on the records...straying too far from the records will get you a slap on the wrist in most cases...they were just doing their jobs...I know every steel player who was on that show,and I assure you they are more than capable of playing something you would like...those guys were doing what Paul,Sonny,Dan,Bruce,etc.do...they were just playing what fit the song. [This message was edited by Steve Hinson on 10 November 2004 at 03:55 AM.] |
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Rick Johnson
From:
Wheelwright, Ky USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 4:15 am
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When Gretchen did "When I think
about cheatin" was the band playing?
The reason I ask, it looked liked
the steel players bar was not moving
in sync with what I was hearing?
I must have been imagining things.
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Rick Johnson
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Steve Howard
From:
High Ridge, Missouri, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 4:41 am
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All,
The sad fact is that just about everything you saw from the bands last night was prerecorded. They were just panomiming. It isn't like the band members don't want to play, I'm sure they hate it as much as I hate watching it, but that is what most are forced to do for multiple reasons (4 minute setup time, Artists don't want to take chances with live performances). Their are usually only 2-3 acts on these shows that attempt to do it live (Brooks & Dunn are usually one of them). Usually the vocals are live, but even at times last night, they were not. But this is also why you hear a lack of originality. |
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Steve Hinson
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Hendersonville Tn USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 4:56 am
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| ...once again-if any backing tracks were done at the prerecord sessions(and not the original tracks from the albums),whoever did the prerecords would have stuck close to the original version... |
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Steve Howard
From:
High Ridge, Missouri, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 4:56 am
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| Well, an update on my last post. Apparently a lot of bands did play live last night (???) I don't know. The lead player from B&D mentioned a lot of them did play live last night over at TDPRI. He usually is very proud that they are one of the acts that always plays live, but actually mentioned others were too, so maybe some of them were live. |
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Jody Cameron
From:
Angleton, TX,, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 5:20 am
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Jeff, I go with Steve H. on this one. I toured with a very popular Curb artist from 1996-1999, and they made digital board tapes every night, and then reviewed them right after the show on the bus. It was "called to your attention" if you did not play the parts just like the original.
After three years of this, I could not hardly PLAY at all...my creativity was stomped on. It took me another year just to get comfortable playing again, and get some semblance of real chops back. Sometimes being in a road band for an artist "ain't all it's cracked up to be" IMHO. |
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John Lacey
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Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 5:21 am
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| A lot of them must have played live because major dropouts on solos occurred and vocals! Luckily on some, it wasn't the steel that dropped out. Maybe Teresa White could explain that-something to do with a mono transfer from the stereo image to us lowly mono owners? |
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Randy Beavers
From:
Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 5:57 am
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| Maybe a hard pill to swallow. But remember, it's not about us! It's about those young kids going into Wally-World by the millions and buying those CDs. |
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Steve Howard
From:
High Ridge, Missouri, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 5:59 am
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I agree Randy.
We have to remember 99% of the audience is like my wife, not like me. She just sings along and enjoys it a lot more when it sounds exactly like the CD. |
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Mike Brown
From:
Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 6:25 am
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| Subject change.................anyone notice Janee on fiddle with Terry Clark? I think that was her. If so, she sure has "grown up" since the last steel convention I saw her on. I was proud of her! |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 7:59 am
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The "band tracks" are very common, and noticable last night. No one but us notices or cares.
Still it was great to see Gary.
(He was also the session player for Sara's "Suds in a Bucket".) |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 10:17 am
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If it's true that Gary is indeed playing on some album cuts out of N-ville these days, I just wanna say congrats Gary! You deserve it!
As far as the award show went, what I was able to catch just seemed like more of the usual sycophantic glad handing that bugs some of us more than others. Pop music, which is what Country music is now, has always tended to be homogenized pap. I'm sure most of those players are really good and capable of stretching out and playing great stuff that wont sell at WalMart. |
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Gaylon Mathews
From:
Jasper, Georgia
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 11:24 am
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That was me with Gretchen Wilson and I can tell you that my hand movement probably wasn't in sync with what you heard. We were indeed playing to track not because Gretchen wanted it that way but the "powers to be" at the CMA's said so. Gretchen's vocals were live though. I think their theory is that if an amp goes down or a cable goes bad or someone breaks a string or someone hits a clam, that would be worse than some musician in TV land being smart enough to know the difference between live and Memorex. That being said, I do not play the song EXACTLY like the record becasue Gretchen lets me use my own creative style as long as the signature stuff is still intact. Therefore, I'm so used to playing what I play in the live show that it was kinda hard to stay in sync all the way thru the recorded version. "Imagine" they'd do a camera shot of me right when we were at a point to where I wasn't in sync!(I have not seen the show yet) BUSTED! Oh, well....for the record, all of us would rather have played it live. There was a lot of miming going on last night but not by choice of the artist or the band. Back to Gretchen letting me be creative....for example, she doesn't care for the steel ride on Redneck Woman so she told me to play whatever I wanted to but don't play it like the record. I think that's very cool of her to do that and only a steel player would ever notice.
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Brett Day
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 11:49 am
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| Gaylon, I saw and heard you playing steel with Gretchen and you did an awesome job! The steel sounded incredible on "When I Think About Cheatin'". Brett, Emmons S-10, Morrell lapsteel |
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Steve Howard
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High Ridge, Missouri, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 11:58 am
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Hey Gaylon,
We love Gretchen here in STL. Also saw your son, or someone who claims to be your son  tabbing some Gretchen on a Country Tab website
So it sounds like she is a cool gal to play for, I'm sure some of you guys get stuck in way worse situations. |
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Rick Garrett
From:
Tyler, Texas
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 12:48 pm
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Hey Gaylon,
Man whether you were playing right then or not makes no difference to me at all. Fact is it was YOUR picking I heard when Gretchen sang and man was it awesome!! Great job and I'm going to go buy the cd just so I can hear some more.
Rick
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John McGann
From:
Boston, Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 12:57 pm
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Jeff- you described the modus operandi for singer-songwriter music outside of the country idiom, too... folkies and "roots rockers" get in on the act, too:
"Can you play less?"
"BUT I'M ONLY PLAYING TWO NOTES!"
"Can you make it one?"
For those of us old enough to have lived through the era guitar heroes (for better and worse!) when being able to play was considered a GOOD thing, this attitude echoes the days when punk rock fashion made it "uncool" to know how to play.
Mostly, I think, it's that the singer-songwriters don't want their songs to be vehicles for players...
Q: How does a singer-songwriter practice his/her scales?
A: ME ME ME ME ME ME ME...
Wasn't it cool when there were "bands" instead of "hired sidemen"?
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 12:58 pm
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| Nobody is really playing it, it's all pre- recorded |
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Tim Hurst
From:
Newport, TN
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 4:12 pm
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| Wasn't that Anita Cochran playing the telecaster with Terri Clark? |
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Jerry Lee Newberry
From:
Prim, AR USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2004 4:18 pm
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| Mike, That was Janee you saw. She not only has grown up, but has gotten married also. I didn't know that Teri Clark had gone with an all girl band. Gaylon I thought you sounded good on Gretchen's song. I think all the music and singing should be live, but that's just my opionion!!!!!!!! Donna |
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