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Topic: For Randy Beavers............ |
Charles Curtis
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 5:11 am |
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| Hi Randy. Can you tell us how to get a couple of those "C6th" licks on the "E9th" neck? Maybe which strings and pedal combinations to get those licks? I was just listening to "Lean on It" for the umptenth time......... |
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Fred Justice
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Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 7:21 am
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Hey Charles,
I've found a few of those chords on that song
(Lean On It)and I think the chord your talking about is the one in between each verse and bridge,that comes down the neck in one fret intervals.
Im doing the 6th string with B-pedal,8th string open,and 10th string lowered a half,try that and see if it works for you. |
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Randy Beavers
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Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 11:41 am
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Hey Fred. I never thought of doing it that way, but that works! The way I did it was on strings 5, 6, and 9 with the A pedal pushed. The chord progression at that part is Eb#9, D#9, Db#9, C#9. A natural place to play a #9 chord on the E9th is on those strings, a flat 5th from the root of the chord. The way Fred described is also a #9 chord played a flat 7th, or whole tone below, from the root. The position I use can also be called a tri-tone. Or as B0B calls it, "try-tone." I still like that one. Hope this helps.
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Randy
http://hometown.aol.com/pulltightb/home.html
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 2:10 pm
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| Thanks guys; just keep those tidbits coming. |
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 3:39 pm
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Charles,we all know that Randy Beavers is the man when it comes to C6th voiceing from the E9th tuning.Thanks to all the help he has given me,im finding some of that stuff out there.Im just sratching the surface while
Randy has dug in deep.Randy Beavers RULES in my book. 
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Fred Justice
Events Dir.
SWSGA www.swsteelguitar.com
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Joe Yednasty
From:
CA
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 3:44 pm
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Wow, thats good stuff! I've been wondering lately if there were any ways to get an E9th to temporarily sound like a C6. Thanks alot guys.
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"Eskimo" Joe Yednasty
Emmons P/P S-10
Peavey Session 500
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Bowie Martin
From:
Wilson, NC USA 27896
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 4:34 pm
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Randy Beavers is steel guitar's undiscovered treasure...if you have never seen or heard him, you have a wonderful experience in store for you.
And, a fine man besides that. (Randy, don't get the big head now)...a lot of people have known the above for years (me being one of them from Jeff's Watertown jams)... |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 26 Oct 2004 6:08 pm
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Joe, you need to get Randy's new CD. You'll get a good dose of C6 on the E9! Plus he'll tear your heart out on the ballads. SWEET!
I love it and he and Russ Hicks burned it up at Bristol!!
Tony |
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Randy Beavers
From:
Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 27 Oct 2004 4:21 am
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I'm not sure if B0B has announced this yet, but My latest CD, "A Few Of My Favorite Things" is now available through the Forum.
Thanks
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Randy
http://hometown.aol.com/pulltightb/home.html
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Ernest Cawby
From:
Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Oct 2004 4:58 am
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Some of Jeff Newmans lessons shows C6 on the E9 neck.
ernie |
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Joe Yednasty
From:
CA
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Posted 27 Oct 2004 1:34 pm
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I'm definitly interested in buying one of these albums. Which one is the best and where can I get it?
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"Eskimo" Joe Yednasty
Emmons P/P S-10
Peavey Session 500
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 27 Oct 2004 6:49 pm
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I just want to say that the biggest difference between the E9th and the C6th is range. The C6th simply has lower notes. Almost every "C6th sound" that doesn't include low notes is 100% playable on the E9th.
E9th masters like Randy Beavers and Lloyd Green have proven this simple fact many times, but people continue to believe that they need a C6th neck to play jazz chords. It simply isn't true! |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 3:39 am
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| How about this one? Place your bar on the 10th fret, strike the 7th string with your thumb, press the B pedal and simultaneously, with your index and middle finger, pick the 6th and 4th strings four times and on the fourth strike let up on the B pedal then strike the 7th string then the 6th and 4th simultaneously with the pedal up and slide down to the 8th fret and repeat. Heck Randy, I wish you would just tab it. |
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Robert Porri
From:
Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 5:51 am
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Joe,
You can't go wrong with either of the CD's. If you are up for some unique guitar playing (along with Randy's PSG work), "Still, a Way Without Words" has some real cool playing by Boomer Castleman also. It really doesn't matter which you buy, because once you hear one, you'll be getting the other soon anyways.
Bob P. |
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Robert Porri
From:
Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 6:52 am
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Randy,
Please tell me if I'm on the right track trying to figure out what you guys are talking about. The voicing you are saying you used would put the 3rd on the 9th string, the b7 on the 6th string, and the #9 on the 5th string correct? For example, if I wanted to play an A#9 chord, it would be played at the 11th fret the way you described it correct?
Fred,
I was trying your voicing too but I don't have way to lower the 10th string on my setup. I did want to ask you though, where is that lower usually put as far as knee levers (I assume it would be a knee lever).
Thanks,
Bob P. |
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 7:06 am
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Hi Robert,
Most players that have that change (lowering
the 5th & 10th)have it on the vertical lever.
Since my copedent is a little strange and I have no C pedal on the floor,mine is on the floor.My C pedal is A&B plus my RLR that raises my 4th a whole tone.I could E-mail you my copedent if you like.
The reason I like that chord on 6.8,and 10 is to me it sounds better on the bigger strings,just MHO.
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Fred Justice
Events Dir.
SWSGA www.swsteelguitar.com
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Jerry Brightman
From:
Ohio
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 7:54 am
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Bob,
"I just want to say that the biggest difference between the E9th and the C6th is
E9th masters like Randy Beavers and Lloyd Green have proven this simple fact many times, but people continue to believe that they need a C6th neck to play jazz chords. It simply isn't true!"
Well said!
Jerry
http://www.slidestation.com
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Randy Beavers
From:
Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 8:00 am
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Robert,
Yes that is correct. On the E9th we're not playing the root of the chord. The bass player should have that covered, along with the keyboard, or guitar. Those 3 notes, it that order, are what give the #9 chord its character, as we're used to hearing it. On the C6th, if you want to play a C7#9, the main place you would go is to the 3rd fret, press the 8th pedal, and play strings 3, 5, 7, and 10. You'll find that on the E9th, going to the 2nd fret and pressing pedal A, and playing 5, 6, and 9 is exactly the same as the top 3 strings on the C6th.
I touched on this in a previous post somewhere. I tend to think of the b5 position to ba a half step above where ever I'm going. For instance a 2-5-1 progression, I'll think 2, flat 2, 1. This puts me into position to play the 5#9 before the 1 chord. I use this position, or way of thinking on almost any chord progression. One of the most natural ways to enter a chord is from a half step above, as this does.
Hope this helps.
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Randy
http://hometown.aol.com/pulltightb/home.html
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Robert Porri
From:
Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 8:20 am
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Fred,
Yes, I'd like to see what you are using for your copedant. My email address is in my profile. Thanks.
Randy,
I think it's partly the "little secrets" about the way different players actually think when they are playing, that will help me(and others) make little breakthroughs in understanding all this better. What you wrote does help. Thanks.
Bob P.
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Wayne Franco
From:
silverdale, WA. USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 12:13 pm
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| I have recently been using the 2 below position on C-6 (10th fret for C7#9)with the 5 and 6 pedal down playing 2, 3, and 5 strings for a #9 chord in addition to the more common 8th pedal three above position. That #9 chord sure sounds good in blues jazz stuff. Haven't tried it on E-9. Thanks for the info. [This message was edited by W Franco on 28 October 2004 at 01:15 PM.] |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 28 Oct 2004 9:28 pm
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| Oh never mind.If you don't hear the need for C6th in jazz then you don't need it anyway.As for playing a few jazz chords on E9 the really good players have done it for years.As for Lloyd Green.He's one of my favorite E9 players in the world.However the only jazz type thing I've heard him play on was a record called It's First Time.Most all the top steelers of the time played on this record.Lloyd was the only one who played E9 and they beat him up really bad.Bottom line.Most anyone except a choosen few,Emmons, Franklin, and maybe Randy.I haven't heard him since 95, and few others will run out of gas real fast trying to play jazz on a 10 string E9.Just my 2 cents..bb [This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 28 October 2004 at 10:56 PM.] |
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Randy Beavers
From:
Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 29 Oct 2004 3:16 pm
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[Oh never mind.If you don't hear the need for C6th in jazz then you don't need it anyway.As for playing a few jazz chords on E9 the really good players have done it for years.As for Lloyd Green.He's one of my favorite E9 players in the world.However the only jazz type thing I've heard him play on was a record called It's First Time.Most all the top steelers of the time played on this record.Lloyd was the only one who played E9 and they beat him up really bad.Bottom line.Most anyone except a choosen few,Emmons, Franklin, and maybe Randy.I haven't heard him since 95, and few others will run out of gas real fast trying to play jazz on a 10 string E9.Just my 2 cents..bb]
Bobby, what is it about this thread that makes you feel we should all just "Oh never mind?" The Forum's main purpose should be for the sharing of information about steel guitar. If I know something that someone else would like to know, I'll gladly share it with them. That's all this thread was about. |
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Gary Lee Gimble
From:
Fredericksburg, VA.
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Posted 29 Oct 2004 3:57 pm
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Randy, sorry I missed you over at Chuck C's. a couple of weeks ago. I was extended an invitation but I couldn't get out of the day gig which starts for me a 3 AM.
Gary Lee |
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 29 Oct 2004 5:13 pm
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At-A-Boy Randy,that is what this forum is all about and this whole thread got started because Charles wanted some information and by golly if some of us has that informatin I think we should share it.
I've been playing C6th licks on the E9th neck for years and don't see anything wrong with it,its not a bad thing its a good thing and I dont think I'd run out of gas before the job was done playing the E9th and I promise you Randy Beavers would not...
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Fred Justice
Events Dir.
SWSGA www.swsteelguitar.com
[This message was edited by Fred Justice on 29 October 2004 at 06:24 PM.] |
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