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Topic: HELP TELL ME What is best best |
Ernest Cawby
From:
Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 6:07 pm |
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What was the best sounding, playing, best
mechanics Sho-Bud, ever built built.
I have a professional and want a best, I want to upgrade.
ernie
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 6:59 pm
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| Hi Ernest . I do'nt know which is the best sounding but i have a Pro-II that i bought new in 1977 and it plays like a dream. Sound is'nt bad either . You are going to get a million answers on this one ole buddie . Good luck. Regards ,,,Gary |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 7:46 pm
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The ProII-III series with fingers in stead of baskets, either wood or aluminum necks. My preference is aluminum. The nylon nuts need replaced every twenty years or so..
Much easer to tune, maintain, etc. Sound? I don't think it made as much difference. The Super Pro attempt at Emmonizing wasn't real well recieved, nor was the keyless shorty. I tried both, and didn't care for them.
Just My opinion.
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Ernest Cawby
From:
Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 9:07 pm
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Was the pro 2 an upgrade professional? with same mech.? How much differance in the two, works wise?
Why aluminum, and what is the difference in sound of alum. compaired to all wood. I have real great sus. on the all wood?
ernie[This message was edited by Ernest Cawby on 23 December 2003 at 09:10 PM.] |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 9:37 pm
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There were only two ever made at Sho-Bud. (one by Paul Franklin Sr. and one by Duane Marrs) One was plain black and one was plain brown w/no trim. If you don't have a Mica-Covered body there is not much, if any; benifit to the Aluminum-Neck. Sho-Bud didn't wish to go to the extra trouble/expense of producing the Mica-Body, so; the concept was not adopted by Sho-Bud. If I'm correct, [I could be wrong] that was one of the reasons that Paul and Duane left the company, to pursue the Mica-Body concept. “BJ”
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[This message was edited by John Bechtel on 23 December 2003 at 09:40 PM.] |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 10:38 pm
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The very first Pro II's were Identical to the Professional in every way except; they had barrels behind two hole pullers(Bell cranks is what ya'll call them.) So they were still single raise/single lower....but you can have a string raise or lower how ever many times you want down the rod.
To me; these Pro II's were/are the Smoothest action of any Shobud I've ever played...and I've played EVERY one of them.
They sound wonderful....and I have no problem with the mechanics as I understand them...as I understand all the different shobud mechanics. But if one doesn't even understand basic tuning mechanics than it doesn't matter what guitar he has; even a brand new whatever....>he still will have a problem.
The next shobud was the Pro II and LDG which featurned a double raise single lower finger with nylon tuners and the rod was affixed to the two hole puller and THAT is an awesome steel...but I find the Pro II just before that one...played smoother.
Oh and these bodies were still the same as the professional...>so still had your awesome big body of Maple and necks.
Thank the Pro III came along and was the same guitar but featured aluminum necks and the double raise/ double lower came along...>than came the customs Pro II and Pro III and featured a square front..and a little less body...and mechanics were fine on these very first ones....but soon after and right about than...was when inferior metals were starting to be used....and to me...ShoBud was NO MORE....>so I really don't care for any shobud made after 1978...>So my answer to your question is> The very first Pro II's with the barrels behind two hole pullers.
There was something different about every year to two years as Shobud went along...>so to nail down exactly what is the best EVERYTHING at one time....GOOD FREEEEEKIN LUCK!!!ha.....yeeee freeeekin haaaaa.
Ricky |
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Franklin
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 5:05 am
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| The old "Permanent" was Sho-Bud's PP of tone. The professional series were the legrands. Which sounds best? who knows.I prefered the sound of the perm's over the pro's, when I used to play Bud's but I found the perm's to be not worth the trouble mechanically. I owned two pro Bud's..Paul [This message was edited by Franklin on 24 December 2003 at 07:08 AM.] |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 5:30 am
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tuff crowd !
My old PRO III was excellent..but it was most excellent when David Jackson swapped out those original pickups which had those little useless switches with the original Professional fat single pole pickups. Not sure what the windings were but the bottom end became dramatic.
Ernest 'ole buddy..I'm not certain you're gonna get a unified answer on this one...
I recently had an old D10 Professional..it had awesome tone..and it had the weight to go with it too !
Buy one of each and let us know what you think ! 
t
[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 24 December 2003 at 05:43 AM.] |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 8:27 am
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OH yeah as Paul mentioned and I did not....>the Permenant is THE Shobud Sound and Fingertip right along with it....>those two Shobud models are my most prefered sounding steel guitar EVER....>but also...the mechanics can be alot tuffer than the Professional models and somewhat limiting which isn't a bad thing..
I don't even work on the permenants or fingertips for other folks...simply because they are a little to confusing for me brain to take all the way apart and put together....so I don't mess with them. But I do understand them and can tweek them to my liking....but really are too much a hassle to get to play pefectly consistant but MY GOSH what a sound. I like how Paul compared the permenant to "the Push pull" of Shobud and the Pros being the legrand comparison....>Perfect.
Ricky |
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Wayne Baker
From:
Altus Oklahoma
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 8:53 am
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Ernest..... Don't make me fly 8,000 miles from the other side of the world to keep you from making the biggest mistake of your life.  You have a great looking/great sounding steel. Don't change one thing...  I love that bud of yours. Merry Christmas my good friend. Hope to see you soon.
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 10:24 am
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I've owned three Sho-Buds that were my personal guitars, all purchased new. First was a 1968 Baldwin Crossover that... well, history has given the thumbs down on the Baldwin and I couldn't agree more, let's just leave it at that. I don't even recall how it sounded since the undercarriage gave me so much grief.
Next I had a 1969 Professional that I played until 1983, when I went to Emmons. That Pro had two undercarriages in it; the original, and a Pro-II undercarriage installed by Paul Sr. in 1977. Great sounding horn, saw it on eBay a few years ago, wish I had it back.
I did own a 1976 Pro-III for awhile, based on Lucky Ocean's recommendation. Another ill-advised choice, IMHO, though not like the Baldwin. The Pro-III played really well, but the tone was "honky," really a blaring mid-range that was unpleasant, again IMHO.
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Jack Dougherty
From:
Spring Hill, Florida, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 2:16 pm
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Ernie!!!
Leave that guitar alone till I see you!!!!
her are several things you can do to "upgrade" with out messing wtih the tone. If your cabinet is in good shape, tweeking is not a problem. |
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Ernest Cawby
From:
Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 11:22 pm
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Guys I am not messing with the Pro. it stays untill I send it to Ricky for a full rework, and will put the new better rods.
Wayne I replaced the one cable that was not George L and you will not believe the sound it has now. Nan was so excited when she heard it she yelled leave that one on it.
I tried running the cords from the guitar to the pedal then to the matchbox and then the amp, it made litte difference in the wrong direction, so I went back to the old way, it sounds super now, Made me practice more, just quit for the night 2:30.
ANY SUGESTIONS ON THE RIGHT BUD WILL BE HELPFUL.
ernie [This message was edited by Ernest Cawby on 30 December 2003 at 11:22 PM.] |
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Wayne Baker
From:
Altus Oklahoma
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 11:49 pm
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Ernest, a good quality cord can change the sound of your steel. I found that out the hard way. I had emailed Bobbe Seymour about the terrible tone I had and about that time I bought the new procords from Rutlands in Valdosta. Made a total difference. My steel sounded like an Emmons again. Of course, for some reason it sounds like a Sho~Bud when you play it... 
Wayne Baker |
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