Kid Rock

Bob Cox · From: Buckeye State

Who is the steel player on the awards show playing with Kid Rock?

Bob Watson · From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.

Bob, I saw Kid Rock on the Leno show last night doing the old rock classic "Feel Like Making Love". He had a steel player with him, but he didn't get a lot of camera time. I think it might have been Lynn Owsley. I know he has written a tune that Kid Rock recorded. It kinda looked like Lynn, but as I said, they didn't have any real good camera shots of the steel player. It would be very very cool if it is!

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

It would have been better if Kid Rock had no camera time ..and the Steel player got it all...

I think he is destined to be the next big Country Music Star..one way or the other...

I dunno'..maybe it's me...

T

Nick Reed · From: Russellville, KY USA

Yeah Boy,
That Kid Rock is my all-time favorite Country singer. I just love it when he comes out on stage wearing that Resistol Western Hat, Bandelaro Jacket, and Larado Boots. Boy, Pamala Anderson sure got her a real Cowboy this time! I think ole Kid Rock is destined to be the next Porter Wagner.

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

It probably was Lynn. He and Kid Rock are friends.

I haven't seen the show so I can't comment on the quality of the performance, but K.R. is a rock star, who is introducing his audience the country music and the steel guitar.

I see that as a good thing. Just as the Rolling Stones' exposure of their audience to the blues in the 60's led to that genre's popularity, so too may Kid Rocks exposure of his audience to country music and the steel guitar lead to a similar resurgence of interest.

[This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 20 November 2003 at 08:32 PM.]

Rick McDuffie · From: Benson, North Carolina, USA

Don't get me started.

I try to be open-minded, but I just can't make this leap.

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 20 November 2003 at 10:15 AM.]

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

I actually like some of his stuff and like watching him perform.

Bob Watson · From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.

I agree with Mike. I think it could be good for country music. Also, if it is Lynn playing with Kid Rock, the general public is being exposed to a great player who will do a great job representing the steel guitar community to these new audiences.

David Doggett · Posted 20 Nov 2003 11:30 am

God bless Kid Rock, Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks and anyone else who brings country music and steel guitar to non-country and younger audiences. Sure, some of it may not be "real" country music, whatever that is. But neither was all that country-rock in the '70s that got so many of us playing steel guitar and digging through the cutout bins for Ray Price, Webb Pierce, and Lefty Frizzel albums. The dinosaurs were pure, and extinct.

Lynn Owsley · From: Hendersonville, Tennessee

I got a chance to see this also...from home, it was not me, the steel player was Rusty Rhodes, who is a fine player,he plays some very nice C6 when given the chance.
For some time he has been working clubs on Broadway in Nashville,I suspect the Kid shanghied him from there,although Rusty is originally from Michigan near the Kids home.
Now that Rusty is in place we may hear more country from Kid Rock as this is what he likes most of all.

Ron Whitworth · From: Yuma,Ariz.USA Yeah they say it's a DRY heat !!

Way to go Lynn..Thanks for getting the record straightened out for all of us..I especially like when you said
"Now that Rusty is in place we may hear more country from Kid Rock as this is what he likes most of all"..That is very good news & I am sure it will all work out for the better..He's probably not gonna be doin' many slow ballads but he seems to really like the Hank Jr stuff so who knows > we'll just wait & see what happens.I really don't think it will "hurt" country music & the exposure he is getting will go a long way.
Thanks Ron

David Cobb · From: Chanute, Kansas, USA

How about getting contributions together for Rusty.
It's just not right for a good steel player to have to take that kind of work. ahem

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

I saw the show, but I couldn't hear the steel at all in the mix. I was watching in high definition, which sometimes has different sound from the NTSC broadcast.

Could anyone hear the steel?

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David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

I have never heard a thing from Kid Rock, I have seen his pics and clebrity smoozing, but nary alick has crossed my ears.

But I do like what the other David D. said.
If it can bring ANY young people into steeling and country, the roots of rock, it's a good thing.

Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

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[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:08 PM.]

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

I wish I had seen the show. I'm really curious as to what the steel player did and what they sounded like.

Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

I'm sure everyone heard it differently but it struck me kinda like .38 Special meets Poco... I've only seen Kid Rock once or twice before on the tube and couldn't stand him, sounded like metal and I don't like that. I didn't even recognize him at first on Leno's show, I just thought it was a rock band with a steel, of course I recognised the song they re-did. Was not really too far from the original version but with a little more edge. They actually sang, not screamed. Remember the 3-part harmony guitar lead in the original? They followed its' basic idea, not exactly but you could tell they kept the original flavor of the solo, sounded (looked?) like the the steel had a part in it but was tough to distinguish. Most of what I could hear of the steel was background stuff, similar to what a slide guitarist might play, think I heard a couple fast rock-style licks. It was hard to hear but what I heard sounded good. If Kid Rock makes a habit of doing more like this I might even start to like him. I liked it a whole lot more than some of the Nashville country-pop pap I hear lately.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 20 November 2003 at 09:16 PM.]

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

Jim-Thanks....al

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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Ok ..I'll back off my intital critique of this KID Rock fella ..a little..a tad...

Yes it is excellent for him to have a Steel on stage and on TV...even if it could not be heard..

but..and I do have a but..

These Artists have it both ways..

Kid is still all over MTV ..and he is pretty foul..

and now he is beginning to be all over the Country scene..

Yes..he has a sorta Country tune with a Steel

but will he take the crossover path and claim he is now a Country Artist while maintaining the same status he has on the other channel with the same songs ?

I love Cheryl Crow..I think she is talented beyond all get go ..she has a new tune on the Country Video channel..it is more of a folky rock tune..it is not a Country Tune..and no Steel..the video is more about her look as she is seen in many different poses and garments. Sound familiar ?

So is this the new path that Cheryl and Kid are going to set as the standard for other R+R crossover artists to follow ? Play an almost Country tune but not too Country to upset the current domain.

If they are going to join the fray..play a Country tune ..A real Country tune..or what we may end up with is 25 more just like Kid and Tim, and Kenny and whatever..and then we will say..

"Oh at least they had a Steel player in the background playing some slide like fills"

I would be willing to bet all of Stephen Gambrells money that if a Pro Steeler gets called to do a road tour with a group like this, He or she will do it 1 time and not return..how much fun is it for a Pro player to sit and play slide like licks for 5 nights in a row over 12 weeks ? I suspect none...

I personally think this could be a dangerous
position for a Steel player to be in..

I can hear it now..

"Tony..don't play that whinny stuff..play it like the Kid Rock song "....

Bill Anderson may have said it all..
"Too Country..now what's that "...

This may be where we are headed..

I think this is where the Industry is headed, crossover sells many many more CD's than a single outlet...

But they don't sell more than Alan Jackson now do they...I can't believe no one has figured that out yet...over 40 million CD's sold in a 10 or 12 year period..thats intense..

The only way Kid Rock will sell 40 million CD's is if he attempts to resell used Alan Jackson CD's on EBAY for $1 each...

just my take

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

I will go on the limb and saw it off my self for some of y'all.

I just want to hear a good song done well, well produced, and I really don't care if it is a mix of genres or half a style.
Either it wokrs or it don't.

It could be Lefty Frizzel or Ozzie Osbourne, John Coltrane or Alison Krauss, Compay Segundo or Doc Watson, Drowning Pool or Sol Ho'opi'i,
Cecil Taylor or George Solti, Ricky Skaggs with Lloyd or Pink Floyd.

I like and listen to all of this :
so I am sure I have alienated just about everybody at least once.. and that's YOUR problem not mine.

But I think there a few here who understand this eclectiscism.
~To each his own in what ever nitch.

Brad Burch · Posted 21 Nov 2003 6:04 am

I have to admit, I kind of have a soft spot for Kid Rock. Out of all the new so called rock, hip hop, glam (whatever you want to call it) he does it old school. He isn't pretentious, he writes his own stuff and uses real musicians not computers, he doesn't whine or try to get into politics, and he doesn't apologize for what he does. His thing is sex, drugs, and rock & roll.....pure and simple.

I saw him on an awards show one time that was fantastic. He road out on a Harley with a midget on back that sang with him while huge breasted women dressed in American flag bikinis danced and sang backup......classic!

David Cobb · From: Chanute, Kansas, USA

Here's a sampling of song titles from Kid's albums. If the titles are any indication of what the songs are like, well...

F*****g U Blind
B***s in Your Mouth
Krack Rocks
Early Mornin' Stoned Pimp
Shotgun Blast
I Am the Bullgod
B**w Me
Yo-Do-Lin in the Valley

Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

Tony, you're probably right about a lot of your points, such as "25 more like Kid Rock...." (paraphrased).....If he makes it in so-called Country I'm sure it'll happen. But is that really any worse than 25 more Shania Twains or other bellybutton singers, or 25 more muscle-head cowboyhat male "country singers" with No. 1 bubble-gum country records, that we're already drowning in now? Anytime anyone makes it, the record producers go on a "MORE JUST LIKE THAT!" frenzy, so whether it's Kid Rock or whoever, the MUSIC MACHINE will keep on grinding it out until we're all sick of it.

David L Donald, I agree with you, it's not the type of music so much as if it's good or bad. Sadly, even good music gets sickening (for me at least) when it becomes basis for a formula to be done again and again with a few minute changes, and the artist's videos are clearly little more than sexed-up bait, to attract attention to the artist. People buy the CD to relive the fantasy of the video, nothing to do with the song.

David Cobb, I've seen some of Kid Rock's CD song titles too, and judging by them I wrote him completely off long ago. After hearing him on Leno, I liked the sound. So what does that mean, I should still hate him because of his disgusting songs or like him because I saw and heard something not too bad? Neither, for me....all I'm saying is he did a song that sounded pretty good, with a steel, and I don't consider that a bad thing....I don't think having a steel associated with him will ruin our clean reputation. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, seems I've seen the same kind of song titles with Hank Williams III....but he's another story.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 21 November 2003 at 07:18 AM.]

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Jim..fine comments and I fully agree..I guess my point is that just because we have a Steel Player playing Slide sorta licks on a Pedal Steel behind an artist such as Kid Foul Mouth Rock does not make that necessarily a good thing. Nor does having Kenny, Tim or whoever show up under the disguis as a Country Artist with a big hat do us in our Steel world any good.

I personally am not overly convinced that just becasue KID Rock shows up with a Pedal Steel that this is a great accomplishment for the Steel Society..

Now if he lets the player "Burn" with world class excitement to show what this Instrument is capable of then ok..I'm in his camp..but if he or any like him are just going to just let it be the typical stereotype of a Steel Guitar playing in a traditional Slide style then I'm still out with the jury..no verdict yet...

It's just me being narrow minded I suppose...

But I don't think a peformer or Artist ( if thats what he is ) like Kid Rock has earned any spot an any Country Music Stage whatsoever..And he is not the best Country Music singer to show up in many many years..

But you can be sure he'll be on the Opry soon..if he hasn't already..

tp

Terry VunCannon · From: Greensboro, North Carolina, USA

I'm not that crazy over Kid Rock, but I think that any music that gets a steel in front of younger music fans is good. I would also like to mention Joe Perry of Aerosmith who plays a new Harmos lap steel on one or two songs a night on his band's current tour with Kiss. (Another band that I am not that crazy over, but they are reaching a lot of people on this tour.)

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