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Topic: LVK ..B to Bb,,,info. pls. |
Glyn Bone
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Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada * R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Nov 2003 11:19 pm |
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Hi friends..another `newbie` question......I have been studying the different co-pedants and see that a lot of psg`s have this knee lever lowring the B`s to Bb....would appreciate it if someone can tell me what this lever achieves..ie.... chord at first fret...also is it used alone or in conjunction with another pedal of lever ? also how do you operate it? Do you have to go on `tippy toes` ...lift the whole leg or what...thank you in anticipation mes amis.
( I`m determined this thing ain`t gonna get the better of me just cos I`m old and bald) hahahahahahahaha....btw..I am playing and 80`s something Emmons Loafer SD10 3x4 at present..will be upgrading soon 
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David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 12:25 am
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Hi on E9 with P1+2 down I use it to get a minor chord, and not much else,
but it is a very useful minor chord.
I couldn't live without it.
But I have yet to do it as a split, so it is tuned to lower the C# down to C when it is playing a pedals down A chord.
If I put in an opposing rod, it could also be a b5 on open chords
With the F lever and P1 it does a very nice passing chord I am too sleepy to spell right now. but works like
fret 3 P1+2 / then add LKV Bb's C to Cm
then fret 6, F lever P1 G up 3
then F lever P1 and LKV G
then fret 3 G open
I like it.
But I haven't enough coffee yet.
I ams ure Carl Dixon will have it for you befor e the morning is over LOL. 
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 13 November 2003 at 12:35 AM.] |
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Winnie Winston
From:
Tawa, Wellington, NZ * R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 2:06 am
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Basically, if you lower the B to Bb in an E tuning, you are making a flat-5 chord.
I use mine all the time, because some of the b5 is similar to the II7. I'm not at my steel, so I don't have it in my head exactly, but I use it to get the II chord in the I position.
Come to the steel show in Brisbane in February, and I'll show you all!!
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 5:36 am
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The B to Bb change is a very needed embellishment to the E9th neck. It is fast becoming a standard change. Here is my take on it.
On countless recordings dating back to the early days of the PSG (as we know it), players have substituted a minor chord for a 7th or 9th chord. They did this by dropping down 2 frets and engaging the A pedal. An example of this is "Half a Mind", where the 4th note in the kick off to this song, is achieved this way.
And this is ok. But remember a minor chord is not capable of producing the incredible "tension" that 7ths and 9ths bring to music. So, by lowering the B's to Bb and dropping down two frets you now bring in this tension which brings soooo much to our chosen instrument.
While he did not lower his 5th string, Tom Brumley demonstated the awesome effect of lowering the 5th string in his classic break on "Together Again". However, he dropped down one fret and raised the 3rd string back up with his B pedal to get it.
But this does not permit a 3 note chord. So lowering the B permits this on strings 3, 4 and 5 or 4, 5 and 6 or 5, 6 and 8 or 6, 8 and 10; along with 3, 5 and 8 or 4, 6 and 10.
Not only does it provide the root 7th and 9th chords 2 frets down; but it also provides (as Winnie said) the II7/9 chord at the root fret. A further embellishment is to trade off using the A pedal and the B to Bb lower. IE, first engage the A pedal and release two frets down; THEN lower the B's to Bb and release; when the music calls for any chord to be a 7th or 9th chord.
Splitting the B to Bb change with the A pedal is ok and a few players do it, but most simply half-pedal the A pedal. Also if one tunes pure JI with the A pedal engaged, the split will not be in tune and no way to make it in tune. IE, the "splitting" feature only works if the split ends up sharp, never if it ends up flat as it does when one tunes straight JI.
Good luck and May Jesus bless your quests,
carl
[This message was edited by C Dixon on 13 November 2003 at 05:41 AM.] [This message was edited by C Dixon on 13 November 2003 at 09:17 AM.] |
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Fred Layman
From:
Springfield, Missouri USA
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 6:07 am
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Carl mentioned Tom Brumley's famous lick on "Together Again." I first learned the song using Tom's method of picking strings 3 and 5 open, then sliding to fret 2 with pedal B, and then back to fret 3 open. Even after I added the B to Bb knee lever to lower string 5 and when most everyone else was using it to get the same chordal movement, I insisted on being a "purist" and "doing it like Tom did it." Three or four years ago Tom was playing his signature song on the stage at the St. Louis convention and I eagerly waited for him to play the lick to "show 'em how it's done." And, I'll be jiggered, when he came to the lick, he stayed on fret 3 and lowered string 5 to get the change!  |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 7:29 am
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Once again the Forum brings the brilliant light of knowledge to this steeler's head. I'd have never known this trick until now. Been lookin' for the answer to this one for a few years now. The Emmons tab and track didn't explain it nearly like you folks did.
Thanks a bunch for the info, maybe I can do that part of the steel break now, I couldn't find it on my own.[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 13 November 2003 at 07:34 AM.] |
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Gerald Menke
From:
Stormville NY, USA
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 11:14 am
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Hi Glyn, and welcome.
I lift my entire leg to engage the LKV, I use it a lot in conjunction with my RKL, which brings the 1st string up a whole step: play the 1st and 5th together, bring the 1st up a whole step, bring it down, and then bring the 5th down a 1/2 step with the LKV, great sound, anywhere on the neck especially down low.
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Jeff A. Smith
From:
Angola,Ind. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 8:34 pm
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I just got a guitar with this vertical lever on it a few weeks ago. Thanks for the advice on its use.
If it is being used without a pedal, is the proper procedure to place the ball of the foot on the floor in front of the A and B pedals and push up?
(Edited since I see that Gerald already answered my question.) Does anybody activate the lever, when using it alone, like I describe above?[This message was edited by Jeff A. Smith on 13 November 2003 at 08:42 PM.] |
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 9:12 pm
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I pull back my foot just back of the pedal and use the floor to push my toes against.
carl |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Nov 2003 10:00 pm
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Some PSG's have adjustable heights for VKL's and some still do not. However, If you have one that is adjustable, (IMHO) it should be adjusted so that it just barely clears the top of your knee when working the floor-pedals. That way the change can be made with as little upward movement as possible. All my VKL's are adjusted in this manner and it makes playing more relaxed for me. Whenever I use a VKL, my toes are either pushing pedal(s) or pushing the floor, but; I never have to lift my foot off of the floor or pedal!
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