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Damir Besic
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 2:43 pm |
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it happened again.I have my Digitech 2112 on Ebay and next thing you know I had another guy copying my picture and posting under his auction.When I told him this is a fraud and misrepresentation he answer that people exchange photos all the time,that this is in my advantage and that he actualy has the same set up as mine and that he will post it and it will be just a better quality.I turned him to Ebay and they are working on it.Last time I had someone from England stold my whole auction and offered to my highest bider for less money.He was from England but he wanted money to be sent to Paris France,he set up his email as damirzanne_1@yahoo.com and my original email is damirzanne@yahoo.com .Highest bider sent me an email asking is that ok and we took care of that theaf.Last week I bet on the 1976 Emmons that was sold to forumitie but I got an offer from someone else ofering me the same auction but ubder a diferent email.I asked origianal seller if that was his email and he said nope.So,I`m just trying to tell you guys be careful on the Ebay these days it is getting worse and worse every day.Crooks are all over looking to scam people.Be careful dealing on the Ebay.btw Emmons I bet on it and was won by another forumutie was totaly striped of its C6 mechanics underneat and presented as $3000 guitar.Fortunaly friend of mine sent other player to check the guitar before he sent the cash and after finding out guitar was worth maybe $800-$900 he refused to pay full price ($1900)for guitar.Again,be careful and watch for those cons on Ebay.
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 [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 28 September 2003 at 03:46 PM.] |
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 2:53 pm
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I just heard from another E-bay buyer that bought a Emmons that was missing everything from the bottom. He paid over a retail price for it , WAY over, now he'll pay another $1000.00 to get it playable.
Seem as though I hear about a lot of these deals, they all call me wanting the guitars fixed free because they paid so much for them. (to someone else!)
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Gary Ball
From:
Lapwai, Idaho, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 2:58 pm
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I wasn't bidding but did notice it only had 3 pedals. Pics were poor too though.
Referring to Damir's post about 76 Emmons[This message was edited by Gary Ball on 28 September 2003 at 04:00 PM.] |
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Joey Ace
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 3:18 pm
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Concerning that D10 PP...
The ad said emial him for more pix.
I did. They showed the underside and you could clearly see that no C6 hardware was there. There was no misrepresentation.
Just As-Is like most acutions.
Over at the "Mandolin Cafe" board many have posted about their mando pix being stolen for eBay scams. |
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 3:20 pm
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yes Gary,that was the guitar,I emailed the guy and he told me he was old and he had only 3 pedals to make the guitar ligter,he said nothing about all of the mechanics missing on the C6 neck.There is some people out there who offer to fix the guitar and then they strip the parts of of your guitar and sell them separatly.These are crooks who are pathetic human beings and they try to make a buck cheating and scaming their fallow players.
ok Joey,I see,I didn`t ask for the pics since I wasn`t interested in the D-10 with 3 pedals on the first place.Friend I`m talking about couldn`t open his attachments so he couldn`t saw the undercariage.
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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 28 September 2003 at 04:22 PM.] |
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HowardR
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 3:24 pm
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| Do these guys who misrepresent their merchandise have any feedback? What about the one who took your auction with a similar email address? Any feedback listed? |
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erik
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 3:53 pm
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| I've never heard of this type of scam. Probably won't happen to me because I never posts pics. I've sold about 25 items (some up to $800) without ever posting a pic. I don't know what you can tell from a pic of a pedal. If the person has a good record over a few years then just saying the condition should be good enough. It's worked for me. Selling a pedal steel without a pic though could be tough. |
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Eddie Malray
From:
South Fulton, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 4:19 pm
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| Hey Everyone: I have a friend who sold a Motorcycle thru Ebay. I won't do into detail, but he got clipped for 5000.00. he would have lost another 5 grand if Western Union had'nt caught it. Be Careful------Eddie |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 5:55 pm
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| I collect, use and resell fountain pens. These are much cheaper than guitars hence are traded in higher volume, hence the number of instances of fraud and misrepresentation are much higher. Practically everybody has an ebay horror story, as the people who run it make enough in fees to offset the expense of running a rigorously-enforced operation. The bottom line is - if you want to ensure that you don't get ripped off, don't use ebay. There are alternate net resources for buying and selling anything of value. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 6:26 pm
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| You have to do your due diligence, like anything else in life. I've bought and sold numerous things on eBay and never once had a bad experience so far (knock wood). In fact, I just bought my dream car on eBay (a 1957 Morris Minor 1000 in mint condition, FWIW). Of course, I did have a relative who lived near where the car was go over and check it out for me; not sure I would have bought it otherwise, given the cost. But if you take reasonable precautions, like ASKING for the extra photos and OPENING and LOOKING AT the extra photos, you can usually minimize your risk pretty well, IMHO. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 28 Sep 2003 6:52 pm
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Buying from e-bay isn't all bad. I'm fully satisfied with 95% of everything I've got there. You have to do your homework, that's all. That means reading feedbacks, and realizing that buying from a first-time seller is risky. E-bay has the advantage of access to so much more stuff than you can find any other way...plain and simple. It's the world's biggest flea-market, but not everything's a bargain. Sellers are usually overly optimistic about what something is worth. I've seen "buy it now" prices that were twice retail! Occasionally, you can find a "gem" on there, but the musical-instrument stuff is seldom a bargain. Forum prices are much more reasonable, but certainly no guarantee exists there, either.
In the end, just use common sense. It goes without saying you don't send anyone you don't know thousands of dollars, and just "hope" that they're honest.
Buying a used steel? Pick a seller within driving distance (400 miles?). Go and look at it before you buy! Believe me, that's just about as cheap as shipping charges would be to send it back.
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 2:17 am
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Buying and selling off of EBAY requires a little more than entering a price in "BID NOW"..
I too sell often and purchase often..on items I have some concern over I usually contact the seller and we hook up by phone.
Using others photo's is not fraud unless they claim the photo is thier actual item. Using your photo is not fraud.
Purchasing something without full detail is not the sellers fault, although they should bring it all to the table. It is up to the buyer to know what they are getting.
I too sell many items and have purchased many items..
how about the folks the post the maufacturers website photo's of there item and state the condition as excellent or very good ? It's not their actual photo..
I can say that I am 99% satisified with all of the EBAY transactions I have been involved with over the years..and I hope that those that deal with me are 100%.
do your homework..be cautious..move slow..
contact the seller..talk on the phone if possible ..get a short return time commitment....it's an amzing little world.
Last week I sent a guy in MI $900 for a just about brand new Yamaha AW2816 Workstation, these sell new for around $1800. The machine arrived with the manuals still sealed and 3 minutes of recording on the hard drive. This was a bargain for sure..He couldn't figure out how to use it and gave up trying.
We spoke on the phone probably 4 times before the deal was made..He contacted me as I was hi bidder on his unit where the reserve was not met..that is not fraud.Thats business.We negotiated a price well under his reserve.
move slow, ask the right questions, talk live if possible and have fun..
there are some good deals out there..and some bad ones as well, and some bad sellers and buyers I magine too..but they are easy to spot.
If items are priced right they will sell..if they are not, they will not sell..
just like anywhere else. Will someone else sell the same item under your sale price ? Oh yes..it's called "Market"..
good luck
tp
[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 29 September 2003 at 03:22 AM.] |
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Bill Moore
From:
Manchester, Michigan
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 6:09 am
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I know it happens quite often, but, using photos from another another auction is not allowed by Ebay. The look of the photographs often will have a direct effect on the bid price. I once sold a camera for a very good price, with very detailed photos, a couple of months later, my photos were used by another seller to sell his camera. I reported it to Ebay and they ended the auction.
click here to read Ebay's policy on using someones else's pictures and text. A photograph is the property of the person who made it. It is copyrighted, simply due to the fact that it was produced by a certain indivual. No one else has a legal right to use the photograph without permission from the copyright owner. Ebay does enforce this, violations of this type should be reported to them.
I have used Ebay quite a bit, and found a number of good deals. I've also sold many items. It does seem that there are more questionable things going on there lately, but you can still find some bargins, if you're careful.
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Bill Moore...
my steel guitar web page
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 8:50 am
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Bobbe Seymour writes;
--I just heard from another E-bay buyer that bought a Emmons that was missing everything from the bottom. He paid over a retail price for it , WAY over, now he'll pay another $1000.00 to get it playable--.
Absolutely no way would I buy any type of pedal steel guitar from eBay. I have got some bargains in the form of other items on eBay, but to buy a pedal steel on the grounds of a blurred photo and dubious information doesn't make sense at all. It is a major investment, and better to pay a few hundred dollars more for a guitar that comes with some kind of backup support from a reputable dealer.
We all like a bargain but in general - you get what you pay for. Damir Besic's recently advertised Emmons D12 was an obvious exception, but he supplied good clear photo's and information.
KB
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Jesse Harris
From:
Ventura, California, USA
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 11:49 am
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I bouht a boss ce-1 from someone on ebay
sent them $300 and got nothing.
no compensation from either ebay or paypal.
very very frustrating.
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 4:13 pm
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if anyone is using my picture on his auction it is a fraud.The other guys auction was closed by Ebay today.I bought and sold many items on Ebay and one thing I can say for sure,it is getting worse.At first was ok but lately there is so much scam going on that I stoped buyng stuff on there.I go to Bobbe and let him rip me of for a few extra bucks but at least I`m getin` a first class instrument.You know we love you Bobbe... 
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HowardR
From:
N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 6:31 pm
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| Use an escrow service. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 8:22 pm
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I've purchased 3 items from E-bay and had good luck all 3 times. But that was a couple of years ago and apparently things have changed.
If I were to buy an expensive item today, I'd arrange to meet the seller in person, even if I had to drive 3 or 4 days each way to do so, and pay cash after I saw the item and made sure it was what the seller represented it to be. |
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Graham Griffith
From:
Tempe, N.S.W., Australia
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Posted 29 Sep 2003 8:59 pm
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I bought an Eharp deluxe console a year and a half ago, sent money to cover air mail to Australia. It was sent sea mail and the seller scored himself an extra $65 USD. By the time I got the instrument I couldn't even post a negative feedback on the seller.
The up side of the story is that I got a great (under-rated and hence undervalued)guitar. No regrets there.
Graham |
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HowardR
From:
N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 3:53 am
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Graham, I'm curious, how long did Sea Mail Take?
Mike, good idea! You want to make sure that the $20.00 chrome bar is everything it was said to be...  |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 10:34 am
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Damir..did the EBAY post using your photo state that this was in fact the item for sale ? If thats the case then I would certainly agree the add was fraud..but many adds use manufacturers photo's from the maufacturers website..and state that the item is similar to the photo ..and state condition..is that fraud ? What is EBAYS policy regarding this ?
Anyone buying anything such as a Steel or hi priced item who does not contact the seller directly and also get a right of return is nuts..IF someone does not offer a right of return then move on, they are not to be dealt with.....there are many many adds that state 100% satisfaction or full return.
I purchased 2- D10's over EBAY, both were as represented and I sold 1 of them on EBAY a short time later..well represented and well received..so it is possible..In all cases both parties had live conversations.
Just be smart..it's still a great community.
You can get burned locally as well..
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 2:37 pm
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I buy and sell on Ebay regularly, and have had very few bad experiences. My feedback rating is around 600. I diligently do my homework, and watch out for new members, they seem to be the most apt to be crooks. I also shy away from sellers that do not accept Paypal, even though the seller has to pay a fee to accept it. I think in the long run its worth it for the added convenience and security.
I also had the seller send me more pictures of the Emmons steel in question, and saw that the C6th mechanics were gone. If I have any doubts at all, I walk away even if it seems to be a really good deal. As they say, usually the deals that seem too good to be true, are.
I also own some Ebay stock that has done very well.
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Darvin Willhoite
Riva Ridge Recording
[This message was edited by Darvin Willhoite on 30 September 2003 at 03:39 PM.] |
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Kerry Wood
From:
Tucson, Arizona, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 8:29 pm
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Damir, have you considered some type of "watermark" software? You could plaster your ebay user name across the image, yet detail can still be seen because the text is transparent. It would really make the image theif look like a fool with "Property of Damir" blazing across their auction photo.
http://www.tucows.com/preview/256118.html
Kerry
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Mark van Allen
From:
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