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Topic: Orig. tuning "Walking after midnight" Patsy C? |
Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 7:28 am |
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| I have heard 2 versions of Patsy Cline doing "Walking after midnight". One version has great steel guitar and the other has no steel and sounds like they were trying to grab the rock & rollers. I really like the steel version. Does anybody know who the steel player was and what tuning was used? I can do it in C6 and E6 tunings. Thanks... |
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Larry Phleger
From:
DuBois, PA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 8:04 am
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| I believe Don Helms played steel on the original recording. |
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Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 9:05 am
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| Don Helms, wow that's cool. My turn table won't play 45's any more so I haven't been able to listen to it beyond audio samples. I hope Don was playing his Gibson non pedal? I've found it sounds o.k. in the key Ab(8th fret) on the C6 neck, at least a guy can sing it in that key and the strings still sound good. |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 9:10 am
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| Yes, it was definitely Don. The only two tunings Don has ever used on non-pedal are E6th & B11th. He primarily uses E6th with a high G#. |
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Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 9:18 am
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| Yep, Billy on the Steel players site says it's Don with his Gibson non pedal E13 (E6) tuning. What great playing over a great song. Thanks... |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 9:52 am
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Don calls his tuning E13 but there's no D in it. I think it's: G#
E
C#
B
G#
E
C#
A Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 10:55 am
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| Bobby, thats the right tuning, but it's said he didn't hardly ever play the bottom two strings. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 12:06 pm
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I think I heard Don Helms on the jukebox last night (Hank Williams Ramblin' Man - is that Don on steel?)
The last 4 chords (all parallel motion descending by 1 fret, strummed) are not E6 tuning. It ends on Am6:
C
A
F#
E
C
I don't know what Don's B11 was, but here is a Jerry Byrd B11 from Scotty's site:
1 - E
2 - C#
3 - A
4 - F#
5 - D#
6 - C#
7 - A
8 - F#
On this B11, Don's ending would be strings 4,5,6,7, (and  at frets 18,17,16,15. |
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Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 27 Jun 2003 3:42 pm
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| Don's outside neck is tuned to B9, he calls it B13, but there is no 13th(G#)? It's the same as JB's B11 except the last 3 low strings L to h are tuned to F#, A, B. JB's B11 tuning has the last 3 lowest strings tuned L to H tuned to A, B, C# (JB's instructional book "Sand"). The 4 lowest strings gives you a 2nd inversion B7 chord and the top 4 highest strings gives you a F#m7/A6 chord. Heck, there are chords all over a straight bar on this tuning. Almost all of Don's classic leads were done on the E6 neck, he used the B13 for fills. |
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Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 28 Jun 2003 5:44 am
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| Don Helms E6, 8 string tuning has a nice Amaj9th chord in a close voicing on the 5 lowest strings which is nice for horn type arranging and strum chording. [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 28 June 2003 at 06:46 AM.] |
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