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Gerald Ross


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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 8:37 pm    
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Watch.

Homer Haynes one of the greatest rhythm guitarists of all time. Look at his right hand!



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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'



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Stephen Gambrell

 

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Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:07 pm    
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I read once where some lady journalist, interviewing Homer, referred to his "metronomic-like timing." Homer's reply was ,"no offense, ma'am, but a metronome don't swing."
Truly one of the all-time greats, Thanks, Gerald!
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Billy Wilson

 

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El Cerrito, California, USA
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:10 pm    
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Terrrrrific!!!

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Mark Eaton


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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:22 pm    
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Pretty cool alright-and pretty educational, Gerald, thanks for pointing out Homer's right hand-I really concentrated on it while watching...except-it appeared to be a countrified American Bandstand with lip-synching...no mikes to be seen anywhere.

By the way, who was the host at the beginning, and what show was this from?

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Michael Breid

 

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Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:22 pm    
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Homer was the greatest. Jethro was no slouch either. Suck a great pair of musicians. I've got an old album of them playing with Chet and Jerry Byrd doing hillbilly jazz. George Barnes is on the session too. What great playing. These guys were way ahead of their time. Too bad they've all passed. Some of the younger set is starting to "pick up the torch" and keep the "swing" alive. Thanks, whoever you are.
Michael in the Ozarks
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Michael Breid

 

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Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:23 pm    
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The host looked like a young Merle Kilgore. Wonder what the name of the show was and what year that was aired.

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Michael Breid

 

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Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:25 pm    
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That first post should read, "such a pair of great musicians", not "suck a pair of great musicians". Sorry for the typo. It's late. I think I'll go to de couch now.

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Gerald Ross


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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:32 pm    
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The host of the show was the sausage king himself - Jimmy Dean! (Big Bad John).

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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'



CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
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Blake Hawkins


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Florida
Post  Posted 30 Nov 2006 9:38 pm    
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Mark, back in "those days" we still had boom microphones in our TV studios.
In addition to the camera operators, we had a
boom operator who kept the microphone just out of camera range above the performers.

Blake


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Jeff Au Hoy


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Honolulu, Hawai'i
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 12:07 am    
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Love it love it love it!
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Garry Vanderlinde


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CA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 12:26 am    
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Very nice! His left hand is pretty smooth too!!

And who is the steel player with the red guitar? Looks like he's got one pedal.
The Host does look and sound more like Merle than Jimmy.

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Gary Boyett

 

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Colorado
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 6:28 am    
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I have a six CD st of Jethro teaching mandolin that I cherish.

Those two were great. Too bad the camera man didn't know what he was doing.

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Gerald Ross


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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 7:32 am    
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Here's another one.

Check out the straight-up Jazz/Swing at the 1:10 point.

Hillbilly musicians, three chord songs...yeah right





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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'



CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association

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Gerald Ross


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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 7:37 am    
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Homer & Jethro recorded two all-instrumental LP's. They've been released in CD form and are amazing.

Playing It Straight

It Aint Necessarily Square



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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'



CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
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Ron Simpson

 

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Illinois, USA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 8:03 am    
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Mahalo Nui Loa for posting this video. Homer and Jethro are definitely among the all time greats. I had the pleasure of seeing Jethro (Kenneth) a number of times. Once before Homer (Henry) passed away, once much later when Jethro was working with a quartet, and three or four times as a solo performer. He had an an amazing mind. He would come out on stage tell a few jokes and play a couple of tunes. He would then ask for requests from the audience. He'd continue to ask for requests until he'd received six to eight songs. He would then play these songs in the order that he had received them. These were not just bits and pieces, but complete arrangements, verse, chorus, intros, endings. He lived in Evanston IL and taught mandolin in his later years. Toward the end he wrote a song called kimo blues, and never lost that wonderful sense of humor.
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David Doggett


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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 8:34 am    
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Yeah, sure, the right hand technique is important. But you also gotta get that gum chawed just right - and tuck it in your cheek without swallerin' it when the words come along.

Actually, that first clip is a fair demonstration of how a steel should comp behind a swing guitar when the need arises.
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Scott Thomas

 

Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 9:48 am    
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I consider that style of guitar essential to the overall sound of the kind of Hawaiian music I believe most of us here love.

It seems it was considered a lost art, but I hope that is changing with the advent of the internet and forums like this.

Here are links to a couple of things I have found helpful in trying to understand this style (unfortunately for me, on a cheap flat top!)
http://www.freddiegreen.org/ http://elderly.com//books/items/49-695147.htm
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Bo Borland


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South Jersey -
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 9:50 am    
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Most definitely Merle Kilgore...
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Ray Montee


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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 10:18 am    
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GERALD ROSS.........thank you for a beautiful day. What a thrill to be able to hear and view those two all time great artists. Your contribution this date is truly appreciated.
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Steve Hinson

 

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Hendersonville Tn USA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 2:10 pm    
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Merle Kilgore hosting...Howard White on the steel guitar.

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Bob Stone


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Gainesville, FL, USA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 2:43 pm    
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And, if my memory serves me correctly, Jethro and Chet Atkins were married to twin sisters. Quite the extended family!
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Michael Johnstone


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Sylmar,Ca. USA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 3:48 pm    
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Who says you need an F-5? That oval hole A5 sounds about as good as a mandolin needs to sound. Jethro got scant little camera time but did you notice he is never shown using his left hand pinky - of course his fingers are like 9 inches long.
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Marc Weller

 

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Upland, Ca. 91784
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 10:38 pm    
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I play an L-7C similar to Homer's. Actually mine is an L-7CE, custom ordered with dot markers and an EH185 pickup. The original owner was Muzzy Marcellino the music director for Art Linkletter, best known for his whistling records.


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Rick Schmidt


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Prescott AZ, USA
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 11:19 pm    
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Geez Marc....that's my !@#$% DREAM guitar!

Wow!
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Marc Weller

 

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Upland, Ca. 91784
Post  Posted 1 Dec 2006 11:29 pm    
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Thanks Rick. Here's what it sounds like.

http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=103391&key=20D15D06-C
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