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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 24 May 2006 3:31 pm |
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so this horse walks into a bar
and the bartender says
"Hey buddy, why the long face?"
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and the horse says "windows sucks" |
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Richard Bass
From:
Sabang Beach, Philippines
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Posted 24 May 2006 4:06 pm
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b0b ,thats good, put me on the floor. 
Richard[This message was edited by Richard Bass on 24 May 2006 at 05:07 PM.] |
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Dave Potter
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Posted 24 May 2006 4:22 pm
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Oh. OK.
So, same scenario, but, instead, the horse says, "Jeez, I'm using a Mac, and I can't find the software I need; it's only available for Microsoft Windows".
C'mon, B0B. The anti-MS bias is obvious. But, what's the point of it all? Don't like it - don't USE it. Simple. |
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Curt Langston
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Posted 24 May 2006 6:18 pm
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| I've never used a Mac. What is the pros and cons of Mac vs Windows? |
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erik
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Posted 24 May 2006 7:51 pm
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Curt, it is supposedly easier to use, not prone to attacks, viruses, etc. Said not to crash like a Windows machine. My sister would always tell me how great her Mac was while explaining she went through 3 HD in a month. Many programs come out for Windows first, Mac later, or never. Mac is much more expensive. Many of the proprietary programs for Mac are expensive. Ipods are expensive. If you live in a McMansion by all means buy a Mac. If you are frugal, want more options, with the headaches, stick with Windows.
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 25 May 2006 2:20 am
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| I think I heard that MAC PC's were KEYLESS... |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 25 May 2006 5:51 am
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Oh, how I long for the days of Win 3.1, DOS, Bernoulli Boxes. 640 kB of RAM, Life was simpler then.
Just getting the machine to boot was feat.
Dot matrix printers (or Daisywheel, now there was a racket maker...). Big money to be made in noice cancelling printer enclosures.
CPM anyone? (Or, gackkkkk... TRSDOS!)
Under my desk are original copies of (disks and manuals for...)
Lotus Manuscript
Hayes Smartcom II
Harvard Graphics 5
OS2 Warp
Lotus 123
and several font cards for HP Laser Jet II.
"No one can ever hope to fill a 10 megabyte hard disk..." unattributable quote from 1984.[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 25 May 2006 at 06:54 AM.] |
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Dave Potter
From:
Texas
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Posted 25 May 2006 6:54 am
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Heck, Ray, I still have Lotus 123 *loaded* on my WinXP box. It runs, albeit in DOS mode, but, it runs, nevertheless.
Old habits are hard to break.  [This message was edited by Dave Potter on 25 May 2006 at 07:55 AM.] |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 25 May 2006 3:18 pm
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Ok, ok, I have to program for Windows. I got the joke from a programmers forum. Nobody there even thinks twice. Almost every programmer uses Windows, and almost every programmer agrees that "Windows sucks".
If you've ever tried to fathom their ever-changing self-referencial technical documentation, you'll know exactly what I mean. If you try to actually follow their leading edge, believing the hype and drinking the kool-aide, they'll lead you over one cliff after another.
How many fools install one unstable beta after another, actually coding to an API that will disappear without explanation a month from now? Way too many, believe me. I have long suspected a conspiracy to keep competing developers in the dark, feeding them false information and promises.
Ever wonder why Microsoft Word isn't written with .NET? Guess what. None of Microsoft's major programs, including Windows itself, use the technology that they advocate for developers. Why? Because it's indecipherable! And yet they offer no reasonable alternative. If you're going to program for Windows, the .NET path is the only officially supported way to do it.
Windows sucks.
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 Bobby Lee
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Dave Potter
From:
Texas
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Posted 25 May 2006 4:04 pm
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Although I do understand the issue, and I appreciate that your position may well be 100% legitimate, b0b, you're ranting to probably just a bunch of ordinary Windows users here, including myself.
Your complaints relate to the travails a programmer has in dealing with MS OSes. My guess is there aren't all that many programmers in this forum - ergo, they fall on mostly deaf ears here.
Windows may "SUCK", but it's obviously here to stay unless one of the programmers who hate Microsoft comes up with a universally-accepted alternative that's better than the Microsoft product.
The world's waiting............[This message was edited by Dave Potter on 26 May 2006 at 08:29 AM.] |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Dave Potter
From:
Texas
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Posted 26 May 2006 7:07 am
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 May 2006 7:26 am
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Actually, most of what people use computers for today is Web-oriented. I am typing this on my Mac PowerBook in the Firefox browser. When I get down to the office, I'll use the Firefox browser in Windows. Frankly, the difference from the user perspective is miniscule.
But the difference under the hood is tremendous! Windows allows any application to access any file on the hard disk. Windows allows applications to install themselves without the user's consent. Many marketing-driven companies use those "features" to install software that you didn't ask for, and to run it in the background, polling the Internet and slowing down your PC.
What is the benefit to the user? I don't get it. The Microsoft monopoly on OS's isn't because "one of the programmers" decided it would be a good idea. It's because a company with ruthless marketing skills pushed it into millions of computers.
What's worse is that, in case you hadn't noticed, Apple is really a hardware company. The Mac OS isn't where Apple earns its bread and butter. Now that they've switched to Intel processors, resellers are loading Windows onto Macs. It won't be long before Apple will be doing the same, first as dual-boot, then at the only OS on a Mac.
The only viable solution is for a free OS like FreeBSD or Linux to provide a usable user interface. Mac OS X, based on FreeBSD, is the only UI that can actually compete with Windows. It's the only one that's easy enough for the masses of non-technical people.
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Why the long face? Windows sucks.
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Bobby Lee
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Dave Potter
From:
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Posted 26 May 2006 7:43 am
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I think we've prolly whipped the "horse with a long face" to death by now, but I'd just add this -
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| Windows allows any application to access any file on the hard disk. |
I'd be really unhappy if Windows asked me for permission before it could access files. I don't want to be involved in what an app needs just to run.
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| Windows allows applications to install themselves without the user's consent. Many marketing-driven companies use those "features" to install software that you didn't ask for, and to run it in the background, polling the Internet and slowing down your PC. |
I'll concede that those things can happen if one isn't paying sufficient attention to what's going on, and does not have adequate safeguards in place (firewall, etc). I pay close attention, and frequently inspect what's on my hard drive looking for anything suspicious, including manual inspection of the registry, and I really don't think those things are happening on my system. YMMV.
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| The Microsoft monopoly on OS's isn't because "one of the programmers" decided it would be a good idea. It's because a company with ruthless marketing skills pushed it into millions of computers. |
There's no law against "ruthless". What's preventing anyone from bringing a better mousetrap to market, and being just as "ruthless"? If you make it, they will come, right? Michael Dell's managed to become a market giant in PC hardware - is that because he was "ruthless"? Nothing succeeds like success.
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| Now that they've switched to Intel processors, resellers are loading Windows onto Macs. It won't be long before Apple will be doing the same, first as dual-boot, then at the only OS on a Mac. |
There goes the neighborhood. [This message was edited by Dave Potter on 26 May 2006 at 08:47 AM.] |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 26 May 2006 7:56 am
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Funny, I heard a smilar rap against IBM in the Mainframe arena for years. Everyone knocked IBM but then everyone was "IBM compatible" or our hardware is compatible to an IBM Mainframe model "xx" (when they really weren't) or our machines will run IBM software 9again it wasn't 100% compatible). We (SSA) was forced to spread the Mainframe $$ around and buy "IBM Compatible" Mainframes - but those "compatbiles" required months of software and hardware integration to get running (and they were still always behind the level IBM was at)
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Wiz Feinberg
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Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 26 May 2006 8:45 am
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I notice one common development across all of the user help forums I visit, or moderate. That is that due to the level of input from more knowledgable users who reply to topics, less knowledgable people gain insite into technical matters that they would never get a handle on if left to their own whims or devices. Not a day goes by that I don't pickup a new breadcrumb of knowledge by haunting forums and blogs.
The days of blissful ignorance are fast disappearing because of the common threats that affect most Windows users. We are forced to learn more and adopt to new technologies, including complicated security software.
I still remember the first time I was talked through editing the Windows 95 Registry, on the phone, to force a drawing tablet to work. I was nervous, but once I saw that it could be done successfully I never looked back. When I acquired my first computer virus I used the details from ThunderByte Anti-Virus to manually remove the infection, then to reinstall the OS; something I never considered doing before that. That incident launched my computer troubleshooting career (12 years ago).
Computers, the Final Frontier....
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Moderator of the SGF Computers Forum
Visit my Wiztunes Steel Guitar website at: http://www.wiztunes.com/
or my computer troubleshooting website: Wizcrafts Computer Services,
or my Webmaster Services webpage.
Learn about current computer virus and security threats here.
Read Wiz's Blog for security news and update notices[This message was edited by Wiz Feinberg on 26 May 2006 at 09:46 AM.] |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 May 2006 1:13 pm
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| I'd be really unhappy if Windows asked me for permission before it could access files. I don't want to be involved in what an app needs just to run. |
Of course. But Windows takes the view that every application is allowed to access every file. I suppose if you never connect to the outside world, that would be okay...  |
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Dave Potter
From:
Texas
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Posted 26 May 2006 3:35 pm
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| I suppose if you never connect to the outside world, that would be okay... |
Trust me, it's "OK".
I have DSL, and my system connects "to the outside world" whenever it's on. All this "file access" stuff isn't causing any problems that I can determine (and I'm pretty "determined") |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 26 May 2006 4:07 pm
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I gotta hand it to anyone who has to keep up with the current state of WinTel affairs. A daunting task. You can never have enough information, and the problem is, it is scattered from hell to breakfast in the literature. I had to convert some pre Win NT real time data acquisition & control software to Post NT (i.e. Win 2K, WinXP) and the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) was like the Wall of China to climb over. Got it though, took 8 months.
Meanwhile read Petzold, Kruglinski, Richter, Prosise, and drink lots of caffeinated beverages...
Wiz, my computer troubleshooting career began with an IBM 1130 in 1971. 4K of core and a 512 kByte disk. Decks of CARDS! What fun....[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 May 2006 at 05:09 PM.] [This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 May 2006 at 05:12 PM.] |
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