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Topic: B11th? |
Wayne Cox
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Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Oct 2002 8:32 am |
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Hi,I don't usually hang out in this part of the forum,and I play just enough non-pedal steel to embarass myself,but I would like to have a description of this "B-11th" tuning I'm hearing about. Can anyone help me on this? I have a pretty good understanding of tunings,so I should be able to comprehend it!?....Is it 6,7,8 strings,utilize low octave strings,out-of-sequence strings!?!?
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Rick Collins
From:
Claremont , CA USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2002 8:57 am
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Wayne,
The B-11th tuning is a derivative of the first basic tuning, "A" major. The first three strings are the same E,C#,A. As a matter of fact, the first four strings are just like those of the A-6th tuning, E,C#,A,F#.
1. E
2. C#
3. A
4. F#
5. D#
6. C#
7. A
8. B
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Wayne Cox
From:
Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Oct 2002 9:41 am
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Thanks Rick! That's a weird concept, but I appreciate it,anyway!
W.C. |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Wayne Cox
From:
Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Oct 2002 2:24 pm
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O.K., next question!!? Are the 7th and 8th strings out-of-sequence, or are either one of them tuned two octaves below string 3??
Enquiring minds want to know!
W.C. |
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Rick Collins
From:
Claremont , CA USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2002 3:03 pm
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Wayne,
Jerry Byrd tunes an eight string as I posted; and I believe he uses a very low "B" for the eighth string.
I personally tune the last string to "E".
Rick |
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Wayne Cox
From:
Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Oct 2002 3:50 pm
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Thanks again,Rick!
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Todd Weger
From:
Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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Posted 7 Oct 2002 4:46 am
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Wayne --
I really love this tuning for certain songs, and use just a slightly different alteration than the one Rick Collins posted. It is (high to low):
E
C#
A
F#
D#
B
A
F#
I just use an 8-string set of SIT A6 strings, and retune strings 6 and 5. I can drop the low F# to a low B, but it gets too flabby. I may put a really fat string on there someday, and do that, though.
BTW, not sure how many others here use 'em, but I highly recommend the SIT's. Dick Sanft played my steel awhile back, and really loved them. They're semi-flat, so they keep the noise down, yet retain a very nice punch.
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Wayne Cox
From:
Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 7 Oct 2002 8:46 am
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Thanks TODD! Years ago I used GHS Semi-Flats and loved them. I haven't seen any in years,and wasn't aware of the SIT Semi-Flats.Thanks for the info. 
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Andy Zynda
From:
Wisconsin
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Posted 7 Oct 2002 9:42 am
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Hey Todd, how are you doing? Still loving the T-8 and thanks for the tip about the SIT strings. They are perfect (!) for lapsteel.
Have a good one,
-andy-
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John Tipka
From:
Reynoldsburg,OH
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Posted 9 Oct 2002 12:07 pm
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Nobody has addressed this B11th tuning....
Hi to Lo -E C# A F# D# B F# B
This B11th is a true "strum" tuning evidenced by the following: the top three strings provide the MAJOR chord - e.g., fret 1=Bb, fret3=C, fret5=D,fret8=F,fret10=G then when you add the 4th string to the mix, you get the MAJOR SIXTH chord of the same name..
The MINOR SIXTH chord is available from the second string down through the fifth string and takes the name of the note on the fourth string, e.g., Gm6 at fret1, Am6 at fret3,Bm6 at fret5, etc.
The SEVENTH chord is strummed up from the eighth string through the third string but the chord name now is C7 at fret1, D7 at fret3, e7 at fret 5, G7 at fret 8. It takes the chord name from the note on the sixth or eighth strings.
NINTH chords are obtained on the second through eight strings and take the chord name of the note on the sixth string.
The tuning is especially good for songs written with major and minor 6ths and the sevenths and ninths along with major chords sprinkled in. Some examples are: How D'Ya Do, Mapuana, Sand, Hana, Waipio, Harbor Lights, Rainbows Over Paradise,South Sea Moon, etc...
Try it, you may like it...
John[This message was edited by John Tipka on 09 October 2002 at 01:10 PM.] |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 9 Oct 2002 10:05 pm
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| I know this is not really the place for this post/reply, however; although I play pedal steel, I also play Non-Pedal, but; at the present time, I do not own one. But, I still play Non-Pedal style as often as I can! I am also a hughe Jerry Byrd fan! I also play the 11th. tuning. In my case, I get the 11th. tuning naturally on the pedal steel by combining the changes of the standard C6th. pedals #7+#8. However; it becomes an A11th. as follows from top to bottom on strings #3 thru #10: D,B,G,E,C#,A,E,A. My favorite tune is "Sand"! I also get the Jerry Byrd C-Diatonic tuning, though I admit I must cheat, just a little bit! The standard KL that lowers the 3rd. str. from C to B, and I have a pedal that raises the 6th. str. from E to F. These two changes must be worked inorder to get the necessary string combinations, however; the tuning ends up like this, High to Low on strings #2 thru #6: #2=E, #3=C&B, #4=A, #5=G, #6=F&E. I play a lot of Byrd tunes on it as instrumentals! I just wanted everyone to know that I wish I could have made a living perhaps playing only Non-Pedal, but; it never was practical for me. But, I haven't forsaken the Non-Pedal steel by any stetch of the imagination! And I don't apologize for either one! Play on! "Big John" |
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basilh
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