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Topic: Think i found the source of my blue page error codes |
erik
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Posted 6 Jul 2002 7:18 pm |
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| HEAT! I've experienced quite a number of them this past week. I felt my case and it was hot. Also got freeze-ups(freeze-ups caused by heat... go figure). The chip was running at 167 degress. Is that hot? I got a celeron. |
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Ernie Renn
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Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2002 2:32 am
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Get some compressed air and blow it out. I'm not sure of the operating temp, but blowing it out couldn't hoit!
I hadn't done mine for about two months and could have made a miniature poodle with the amount of dust I got out of it, (granted it runs almost all the time...)
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Mark Herrick
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Bakersfield, CA
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Posted 7 Jul 2002 12:07 pm
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Heat is a bad thing for processors and motherboards. It will at least cause the intermittent problems you encountered, lockups, automatic reboots, and eventually processor failure.
Here is an interesting forum for AMD processor users. (My processor is an Athlon XP 1900+) I'm sure there are others for Pentium processors as well.
http://www.amdmb.com/
I don't know what the limits are for a Celeron processor, but obviosly you may have reached it. Here is part of a thread on the AMD forum regarding CPU temps:
"Don't go back to that shop, at 90 deg C the chip DIES, is DEAD, KAPUT, NBG etc.
some boards, ASUS for one will show higher than normal temps, thats a different matter, A Asus A7V-333 is fine at 50 deg C while others will be warm at 50, which is at the top end of AMD's operating temps, 40 - 50 deg C is normal, at 65 you experience trouble, lock ups etc, and at 90 it's dead, may last for 30 sec if your lucky at 90 deg C but if ya turn on a system without a HSF you kill the cpu in about 3-4 seconds, instantly in simple terms.
60 is hot, my systems, all of em, run at low 30's at a room temp of 25 deg C, more room temp higher cpu and board temps will follow, as will a drop when it's winter time and snowing outside.
Generally a well cooled system will give a CPU temp of +10 deg C +/- 2 deg C from room temp, and m/b temps should be about 1 - 3 deg C above room temp."
To convert Celsius to Farenheit multiply by 2.57.
You may want to look into at least adding another case fan to your computer case or a better heatsink and fan for your CPU.
Oh yeah, forgot to say, cleaning out the dust will help, too![This message was edited by Mark Herrick on 07 July 2002 at 01:09 PM.] |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2002 5:22 pm
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The Forum web server is in an air-conditioned office. Good thing, too ... we've been pushing 100 degrees here in Cloverdale all week.
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erik
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Posted 7 Jul 2002 5:35 pm
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| I don't have a fan in my case, only the processor. I want to investigate this silver stuff someone told me about. You put it on the chip and it's supposed to greatly lower the temp. |
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Tommy Mc
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Middlesex VT
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Posted 7 Jul 2002 6:44 pm
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Eric, I went through Blue Screen Hell due to heat. It started during last summer's heat wave, and did permanent damage to my AMD K6-2 processor. Any actions that made it work hard would cause blue screens with random error codes. I finally had to replace the processor. At the same time, I moved the IDE ribbon cables so they allowed better air flow in the case, and now in the real hot weather, I slide the cover open a bit. Like you, I don't have a case fan, only one on the processor. I think the silver stuff you mention is a thermal compound that is supposed to give better heat transmission between the processor and the heat sink. You should also make sure there is no dust in the heat sink. At all costs, keep it cool, or you'll be going the route I did!
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Mark Herrick
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Bakersfield, CA
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Posted 7 Jul 2002 7:02 pm
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The idea of the heatsink compound, Arctic Silver or any other, is to improve the heat transfer between the CPU die and the heatsink; mostly by filling in any microscopic voids between the heatsink and the die and secondly by its own heat transfer properties. (I did a lot of research on heatsinks, fans, etc. when I built my computer!)
The heatsink compound may help lower the temps a few degrees, and should always be used between the heatsink and the die, but a good CPU heatsink with a good fan and a good case fan (or two) will probably help more.
Installing a heatsink/fan is not hard, but must be done carefully. It's apparently easy to damage the die. Before you try it I would suggest doing some research. Try doing an internet search for "overclocking". People who overclock their processors are very concerned about heat, and there are several good sites out there with tons of info on installing all this stuff. Here are a couple:
http://www.heatsink-guide.com/
http://www.coolerguys.com/
http://www.overclockercafe.com/
Just saw Tommy's post and had to add this: most cases are designed to facilitate the flow of air through the case. (Unfortunately a lot of them only do this via the exhaust fan on the power supply.) Opening the case may not help the heat issue and may actually make it worse since they are not designed to be operated that way. [This message was edited by Mark Herrick on 07 July 2002 at 08:11 PM.] |
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Mark Ardito
From:
Chicago, IL, USA
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Posted 8 Jul 2002 6:43 am
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Mark Herrick is right on this. One of the MAJOR causes of heat problems in cases is an opening!
That's right. The case is really designed to be sealed and have the exhaust fan be the only way to get air out. For example, you may have put a new fancy card in your CPU and then you took it out. But you lost the cover that goes over the slot. You are now raising the temperature of the case by having the opening. Don't ask me how is works, it just does.
If you have open slots in the back, you can get replacement metal covers at most computer stores.
Heat will definitely cause the processor to go on the fritz.
Mark
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Tommy Mc
From:
Middlesex VT
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Posted 8 Jul 2002 8:10 am
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Mark and Mark:
Yeah I can see how the case might be designed to have airflow directed by the exhaust fan, and any extra openings would allow air to circumvent the fan. I never thought of that till you pointed it out. The problem is that, at least in my case, there is no exhaust fan, only the the one mounted on the heatsink/processor. I think the little sucker needs more fresh air than the grille opening lets in. I know I should install a fan but haven't got a 'round tuit'....
BTW...How can you tell the temp of your processor? If there is a way to monitor it, I would like to be able to do that.[This message was edited by Tommy Mc on 08 July 2002 at 06:15 PM.] |
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John Lacey
From:
Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 9 Jul 2002 7:44 am
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| I have a PIII chip in my case with a fan over it and a general exhaust fan at the back of the case. That fan makes a lot of noise so I disconnected it as it interferes with recording in my studio. I live in Canada and the studio never gets excessively hot, maybe +30C. for a while. Am I asking for trouble? |
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Charles McGough
From:
Sterlington, LA, USA
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Posted 9 Jul 2002 11:04 am
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No John you are not asking for trouble!-You are begging for trouble.
Charles McGough |
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