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Topic: Another effect identification, clip included |
James Mayer
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back in Portland Oregon, USA (via Arkansas and London, UK)
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 8:43 am |
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Listen to the tone on this one. I would love to get a tone like this.
http://www.funkychurch.com/images/stories/music/08_Track_8.mp3
There's a "windy" effect you can hear when the volume increases. Envelope filter comes to mind, but it's something different. At times, I can hear there is delay mixed in there.
Any ideas?
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Cliff Kane
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 8:56 am
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Okay, I'll take a shot: Line 6 DL4 reverse delay patch with modulation, and some distortion on the effect's return. I've been fooling around with the DL4 recently, and that effect and tone sound a lot like that box. Of course, who knows? there are many ways to get the same sound, but it sounds like delay, modulation, some envelop morphing--like a reverse/backward echo or perhaps an envelope filter--and some distortion. It's a cool tone--let us know how you nail it. I love these posts--it's interesting to see what different people hear, and is good exercise  . |
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James Mayer
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back in Portland Oregon, USA (via Arkansas and London, UK)
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 9:05 am
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I love these posts as well, very educational. I haven't "nailed" any of these tones, but I have learned plenty by trying. I want my own sounds but I find that my exploration is more creative when aiming for something.
The player on this track, Bill Elm....another track from Friends of Dean Martinez, used the DL4. I don't own it, but I do own a Pod XT Live which should have the same delay algorhythyms. I wasn't aware that the DL4 had an effects loop.
I didn't think of reverse delay. I actually never touch that one as it seems so useless. Now that I think about it, that would account for the "wind" swelling as the sustain of the steel degrades.
[This message was edited by James Mayer on 18 December 2006 at 09:08 AM.] |
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James Mayer
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back in Portland Oregon, USA (via Arkansas and London, UK)
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Cliff Kane
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the late great golden state
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 9:20 am
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James,
the DL4 doesn't have an effects loop, but it does have a 14 second sample looper, so you can record up to 14 seconds of input and loop it for sound-on-sound loop recording. You can have it repeat the loop indefinately and play over it, or you can have it continuously add what you play on each pass to the sample for sound-scape building. It will also play the sample back in reverse, and at half-speed....it's a great bonus to an already great delay box. The distortion on the return of the effect could be added with a mixing board. The DL4 has a couple of trippy patches, like the reverse delay, and also what they call "sweep echo" that adds a filter to the delayed signal. It's a great fun box, but I don't think it's a true reproduction of the effects it models: rather, it's a good sounding box that suggests these things pretty well. For example, I still prefer the sound of my Arion SAD 1 analog delay over the analog delay patch on the DL4. [This message was edited by Cliff Kane on 18 December 2006 at 09:25 AM.] |
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James Mayer
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back in Portland Oregon, USA (via Arkansas and London, UK)
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 9:36 am
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"sweep echo" is included in my Pod, I love that one.
I'm going to look into the DL4. |
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 12:18 pm
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| Echo (a lot), some verb, and some distortion. The "swishing" sounds to me like an artifact from the distortion device that the echo unit is accentuating. I think a mild fuzz into an RV3 through an amp with good 'verb would pretty well nail this sound. |
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James Mayer
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back in Portland Oregon, USA (via Arkansas and London, UK)
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 12:26 pm
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"The "swishing" sounds to me like an artifact from the distortion device that the echo unit is accentuating"
This is the part I'm not getting. How do you cut out the rest of the distortion and leave the artifact? |
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Bryan Daste
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 1:25 pm
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Hey James,
we never did get together, but when I get back into town I'll email you. I have a DL-4 we can play around with. To me that swish sounds like a high-pass filtered (and modulated) signal sent through the delay. Cool sounds!
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 19 Dec 2006 3:33 pm
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| How do you cut out the rest of the distortion and leave the artifact? |
Well James, I don't think that's what's going on. I only hear the swishing as a note tails off. No note, no "swish". You see, I noticed the "swishing" is rather muted when the signal was low, and it increases greatly as the volume and distortion goes up. The echo and the distortion are certainly linked as the "heart" of the overall effect. I really don't think it's an intentional thing, but probably something that "appeared" in the result, and they liked it (or just left it in for S&G).
Most guitar "effects" were first done by accident, and they then looked for and found ways to replicate those effects consistently. |
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