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Topic: where to position (cable) Peterson VS-II, etc ? |
William Johnson
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Statesboro, Georgia, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2005 7:26 am |
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i have a GeorgeL E66 PU in my Derby with the 'attaching' volume pedal (pot value same as Goodrich 120) and also have a Peterson VS-II Tuner and a Goodrich 7A MatchBox. all this feeds into the front input of my Peavey TubeFex. also, the TubeFex ouput is fed into my Nashville 400 'amp' input on the rear.
at present, Derby feeds into the VS-II Input, the VS-II 'Thru' feeds into the 7A MatchBox Input, the 7A Output feeds into the PSG volume pedal. any suggestions on VS-II cabling location?
has anyone noticed any de-grading of the PSG signal with the VS-II in-line? who takes the VS-II out of the signal path?
do most of ya'll with a MatchBox 7A or similar pre, a TubeFex and Nashville 400 setup, feed input signal into the 400 in the rear 'amp' input (as i do now)? this does by-passs the volume pots, EQ and reverb section of the 400.
how do ya'll route the signal flow with this kinda setup?
i feel since i have a MatchBox 7A, loading (more optimum impedance) the volume pedal/E66 PU is not as a big of an issue, so 'patching' the volume pedal is not as necessary. without a MatchBox 7A or similar preamp, by using the 400 'Patch' jacks for volume pedal, you allow the PSG PU to see the input impednace of the Nashville 400 front-end preamp INSTEAD of the volume pedal pot impedance.
this is partly (except for longer life due to no pot) the reason for using an 'electronic LED' type volume pedal, i.e. improved impedance match of PSG PU to downstream electronics resulting in clearer sound (improved high freq response, less noise and reduced phase issues).
kind'a splitting hairs here unless you are doing studio work i guess? agree?
thanks for your commnets.
Billy
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William Johnson (Billy)
Grievous Angel Productions
Statesboro, GA. 30461 USA
http://www.grievousangelpro.com
Derby DBS10E9
Custom BillieTele Telecaster
Peavey NV400
Peavey TubeFex
Goodrich 7A
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Summer 1969
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 3:26 pm
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Hi Billy, I did the same as you are doing with my VS II. I ran it between my volume pedal and effects, then effects to my amp. I got a low grade narly breakup, very slight, but enough to trash my tone. I was tuning up and then having to turn off the tuner. SO, now I go from guitar to Vpedal, to my effects chain AND THEN my VS II, then to amp. Now I'm crystal clear again and can leave the tuner on all nite long! Question: how many have tuned up just to find out you forgot to dial in the right tuning? Ticks you off, don't it, especially when you only have a few minutes! HA!HA!  |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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William Johnson
From:
Statesboro, Georgia, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 4:58 pm
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do any of ya'll feed the VS-II 'Input/Output' jack from the Effects Loop Send (Output) on the back of your amp or preamp, then return to the amp or preamp Effects Loop Return (Input) via the VS-II 'Thru'?
on the NV400 it would be the same as using the NV400 'Patch Out' and 'Patch In' on the amp front panel.
who perfers using the NV400 Amp In on rear over the front Input 1 or 2?
later,
billy
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William Johnson (Billy)
Grievous Angel Productions
Statesboro, GA. 30461 USA
http://www.grievousangelpro.com
Derby DB10 E9
Custom BillieTele Telecaster
Peavey NV400
Peavey TubeFex
Goodrich 7A
Please 'Mouse' to see larger photo.
http://usera.imagecave.com/GreivousAngelPro/derbyfront.JPG
Summer 1969
http://usera.imagecave.com/GreivousAngelPro/Billy1969.JPG
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 6:29 pm
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Basilh, Mine WAS noisey until I hooked it up the way I described above, and now I leave it on all the time as I play and it is as quiet as if it weren't even there. Works for me perfectly. I use a an RV5 and a DD6 to the VSII to my Fender Twin, . Give it a try, you may be surprised, but I am not familiar with what rig you play through.
Billy, Try putting your VSII between your tubefex and your amp. The "thru" jack on the VSII should go to your input on your amp. I am not familiar with Peavey products and I don't know how you are hooked to your amp with the effects loop. But put the tuner on the send side and see if you get good results. You can also get some tech help from Peterson Tuners at (708)-388-3311. Hope this helps!!  [This message was edited by James Morehead on 05 September 2005 at 08:04 PM.] |
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William Johnson
From:
Statesboro, Georgia, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 6:54 pm
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it appears quiet and clear with me as James describes above.
the reason being is that the VS-II 'Thru' circuit is passive, i.e. the 'Thru path is just 'straight' wired in parallel to the 'In/Out' jack. i do not believe it is even buffered. the instrument signal is just sampled off of the 'In' jack and feed into teh tuner srobe active circuitry. of course the 'Out' is for the VS-II internal A-440 tone out for tuning.
i started this thread as i was more interested if anyone has noticed an impdeance mismatch posssibly loading the PSG pickup, i.e. loss of higher freqs and/or sonic clarity.
thanks,
Billy
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William Johnson (Billy)
Grievous Angel Productions
Statesboro, GA. 30461 USA
http://www.grievousangelpro.com
Derby DB10 E9
Custom BillieTele Telecaster
Peavey NV400
Peavey TubeFex
Goodrich 7A
Please 'Mouse' to see larger photo.
http://usera.imagecave.com/GreivousAngelPro/derbyfront.JPG
Summer 1969
http://usera.imagecave.com/GreivousAngelPro/Billy1969.JPG
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Dean Parks
From:
Sherman Oaks, California, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 10:39 pm
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Billy
I notice a definite loss of highs when hooked up this way:
PSG -> VSII in,
VSII thru -> "pot" pedal
If I turn off the VSII, distortion.
I use an A/B box to do a true bypass. Too bad this is not built into the VSII.
-dean- |
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 2:37 am
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Just plug in the amp the normal way and hook the Peterson up to one of the sends on your Peavey. Do NOT bother to return it and you won't experience any degradation of tone. Alternatively, if you have a Goodrich LDR, you can use one of the volume pedal outputs.
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John Fabian
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 6:27 am
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John, You are so right! I use the old round front Shobud volume pedal which does not have the second jack, so there I am! HA! Seems to be a few ways to skin this cat!
Basilh, I can default a tuning , thats true, but I usually forget to change it when I tune my other neck. I usually get a good laugh at myself when I strike a chord. That's when I call myself dumb%&*#!! HA!! HA!! |
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Tommy Roten
From:
Trondheim, Norway
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 7:10 am
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I have a VS-II and a Profex II, and I made a setting on the Profex with just FX(effect send), and hooked up the VS-II to the effect send output. Now I can tune and be quiet at the same time!
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Franklin D-10, MSA D-10, Goodrich volped, Mesa Boogie Quad preamp, ProfexII, Mosvalve 1500, 2xEminence 12", Nashville 400,
www.tommy-steel.com
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William Johnson
From:
Statesboro, Georgia, USA
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 7:23 am
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Tommy, that seems to be the best solution if you have a piece of gear like a Proflex or TubeFex.
You can also (example on a NV400), feed the No. 2 Input jack (if you are plugging the PSG into Input jack No. 1) to the In on the VS-II and not using the 'Thru' on the VS-II. Doing this will reduce the volume slightly as it loads the input signal slightly. It's basically the same as having a volume pedal with two output jacks.
thanks,
Billy
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William Johnson (Billy)
Grievous Angel Productions
Statesboro, GA. 30461 USA
http://www.grievousangelpro.com
Derby DB10 E9
Custom BillieTele Telecaster
Peavey NV400
Peavey TubeFex
Goodrich 7A
Please 'Mouse' to see larger photo.
http://usera.imagecave.com/GreivousAngelPro/derbyfront.JPG
Summer 1969
http://usera.imagecave.com/GreivousAngelPro/Billy1969.JPG
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Keith Cordell
From:
San Diego
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 11 Sep 2005 3:29 pm
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Tommy - the key to using a tuner from the profex this way is to set the FX send level to 100% and the FX return etc to 0....that way the tuner stays in "mute" mode.
So what I do is quickly cursor to my "Tuner" patch and it mutes my AMP signal while I tune up nice and quiet! The perfect setup for me and my rack rig.
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Michael Garnett
From:
Seattle, WA
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Posted 11 Sep 2005 6:05 pm
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I'm looking forward to using one of the outputs from my Hilton pedal when it gets here. Does anyone know if you can use the third (middle) plug on a regular Goodrich L120 to send without any tonal flavoring? Right now I'm using a 1/4" male to 2x1/4" Y plug after the matchbox, and if I turn the tuner on after everything else, I hear a very faint pop, but nothing significant once it's running.
-MG |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 14 Sep 2005 8:42 pm
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| Michael you should be able to run a tuner out of any volume pedal which has 2 outputs. |
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