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Topic: volume loss and tone change |
Steve Hellerich
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Canon City, CO USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 31 Jan 2005 5:09 pm |
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I set my steelking plugged direct from the guitar to amp, adjust everything to have a sound I like. Then hook RV3 in the effects loop and volume pedal to amp in and everything changes to Sh@#! Will someone give me some help. Also will the power supply on RV3 make any differnce. I am using pot volume pedal.
Thanks Steve |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2005 5:56 pm
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What kind of volume pedal? Why are you using the loop for the RV-3?
Brad Sarno
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Steve Hellerich
From:
Canon City, CO USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 31 Jan 2005 6:04 pm
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Hey Brad
Thanks for the reply! I am using Derby volume pedal and the RV3 is quiter in the lupe no hissing sound HELP!!!
Steve |
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Steve Hellerich
From:
Canon City, CO USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 31 Jan 2005 6:06 pm
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Brad: I am getting Hilton pedal Tommorow from
Bobbe
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 1:25 am
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Also see if the same level of signal is coming in and out from the RV3.
There will likely be a volume out setting either accessed through programming or on the back of the RV3.
Some units are set for lower output to go into a guitar amp input while some loops are a higher level in and out.
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see what happens one change at a time.
direct to amp,
then add pedal,
remove pedal, then add RV3,
then add pedal again.
This will tell you where in the chain your issue lies.
The Hilton is a great move.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 01 February 2005 at 01:27 AM.] |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 9:39 am
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My first suggestion would be to take the RV-3 out of the loop and put it before the amp. The RV-3 is a guitar level device. Your FX loop probably wants to see a line-level device like a rackmount FX unit. That may be the heart of your problem.
Also, your passive volume pedal can also suck tone compared to plugging the guitar directly into the amp as you described. Your Hilton will fix that instantly. Try your setup with the Hilton first, then the RV-3, then straight on into the amp. You should be very pleased. That RV-3 may have a little hiss, but once things get going, it's pretty insignificant.
Good Luck,
Brad |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 10:26 am
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I'll second what David and Brad have said.
For some reason completely beyond the ability of my very small brain to fathom, almost ALL guitar amps have the effects loop just ahead of the power amp input. This means that all of the EQ (both sections on Randall, Webb and similar amps), internal reverb, etc. is happening BEFORE the effects loop, which is not where those of us who patch such things for a living would normally consider appropriate.
Sometimes it works OK, but very often it makes for wierd impedance and/or level mis-matches. Follow the suggestions above and you will at least know what you have to work with. The Hilton will definitely be a big plus for you.
Good luck -- dg |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 6:42 pm
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| I know this is a dumb question, but why wouldn't you adjust the amp with everything you're using hooked up? |
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Steve Hellerich
From:
Canon City, CO USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 8:44 pm
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Hey Donny
First of all there are no dumb questions here! I was having a problem that I did not know exactly was wrong. Thanks to all the guys on here we got it figured out. I got rid of passive volume pedal. New Hiton. I went from guitar to RV-3 in. Out of RV-3 to Hilton, Hilton out to Steel king and Bingo
Tone and volume the same as if I went from
guitar to amp. Thanks all
Steve |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 4:39 am
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Steve, just an observation.
If you have the RV3 before the Hilton,
the Hilton raises and lowers your "environment" created by the revb delay, which to my is not how environments work.
A room doesn't echo more or lese when you fade up ortdown it reamains the same.
With the RV3 AFTER the Hilton you fade into and fadee from and environemnt, as happens in nature.
I sometimes have a distortion before the Hilton if I don't want any change in the distortion amount.
and sometimes aftrer the Hilton when I want to increase distortion with volume,
But always use the effects after the pedal.
Glad you got it all working one way or another.
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 6:29 am
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Almost there, but yea, I'd most definitely move the RV-3 to right after the Hilton, not before. You don't want your volume pedal to fluctuate the reverb tails. Also, the input electronics of the Hilton will drive your pickup in a better sounding way than the input of the RV-3 will.
Guitar - Hilton - RV-3 - Amp
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 7:44 am
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No, No. No....
That's
Guitar --- Black Box --- Hilton --- RV3 --- Amp.
Let's keep sense of proportion!  [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 02 February 2005 at 07:45 AM.] |
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