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Topic: Where is the reverb in your effects chain? |
Nicholas Dedring
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Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 9 Jul 2004 10:49 am |
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Just got a standalone box to use for reverb-less amps in rehearsal spaces, and to supplement the tank in the Session 400 LTD that I have...
Do you folks put the box in line before the input on the amp? Or does it go in the FX loop? I've noticed certain weird tendencies with different FX items in different parts of the chain, so figured I'd check on everyone here and their experience with it.
FWIW, it's an EHX Holier Grail... |
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Dave Van Allen
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Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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Posted 9 Jul 2004 11:15 am
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| I have a crappy ole microverb for emergencies. Because reverb is an 'ambient' effect I put it after the Volume pedal, delays and anything else, last in the chain, just before the amp; but all I use are old Fenders with no FX loop, so I can't compare performance in that regard. |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 9 Jul 2004 11:21 am
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Yep. I use the Holy Grail like a stomp box in front of the amp, definitely after the volume pedal--nothing bugs me more than cutting the tail of the reverb with the v-pedal. I once used the HG with a rack rig that had a loop in the preamp and the Grail ran real quiet compared with the white noise/hiss it puts out in front of the amp (not a whole lot but more than nothing.) The short anwer is that no, there's nothing in particular that you need to be concerned about running it straight into the amp.
Have you used it yet? Pretty good sounding reverb! |
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Nicholas Dedring
From:
Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 9 Jul 2004 11:50 am
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Hey Jon!
Haven't used it yet, giving it a try at a pretty low-key rehearsal this evening.
I was going to get the normal HG, but Rudy's here on 48th had one of the (now discontinued) Holier Grails for $160 instead of the original $300 retail.
Same deal, but with the addition of a gate (you can select the threshold, and the gate speed), a straight Reverb only out (not much use for that...), and a dingus or other in addition. The one thing that made it seem more useful was that you can select long or short on the individual reverbs, and it has a room setting in addition to spring and hall.
I will report back... partly got it since I am not crazy about the on board tank that I have, and partly for the eventual possibility of a breakdown in the onboard verb. |
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Nicholas Dedring
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Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2004 7:59 am
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There was SO MUCH white noise, it was almost unusable. I'm going to try it patched through the FX loop today, but if it isn't worlds better, I'm going to try swapping for a different unit, or just return it straight up. The verbs themselves sound fantastic, really deep and detailed, but the noise is absolutely unacceptable.
How much noise did you actually have with the grail on your inline setup? |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 10 Jul 2004 8:41 am
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That's not good. Hmm. How much noise on mine? Not to the point of unacceptability. Like a tube amp that's not in perfect maintenance that puts out some hiss at idle.
I have read on a couple of amp & electronics bb's enough reports of "bad hiss" and enough reports of "no problem" that I can only conclude that there's a quality control issue rather than a matter of different strokes (noise threshhold tolerances) for different folks.
No question, it is intended to be used in line, in front. If it's intolerable, that's just plain wrong.[This message was edited by Jon Light on 10 July 2004 at 09:41 AM.] |
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Nicholas Dedring
From:
Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2004 8:45 am
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| Does it make the same white noise when the reverb is turned off? This one makes noise either way, I think. I finally just pulled it last night. didn't have time to really look in to the problem... I'll check in more detail today. Might have been a grounding issue, or just RF in the studio, but I'm not sure. Will advise. |
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Nicholas Dedring
From:
Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2004 2:41 pm
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Okay, well, I guess it wasn't a problem with the box in principle...
Got home, sounded okay for a little while, and then stopped working altogether. Didn't pass any kind of signal, either in or out of the loop... just a wicked wicked graunching RF noise.
Back to the store it goes... or back to EHX to be fixed. I don't think the gate is functioning properly either... the gate light isn't changing colors.
The reverbs do sound astoundingly good, tho.  |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 10 Jul 2004 5:21 pm
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| After the pedal, and before the amp. (Forget the "effects loop".) |
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