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Topic: TT pups- Ohms confusion |
Glyn Bone
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Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada * R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 3:14 am |
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Hello folks..I have been reading the various posts re the TT pups by Jerry Wallace..read enough to convince me that they will be on my next PSG no sweat......my confusion comes from the talk of the different ohmages mentioned......some say 17.5 others 18`s and even 18.5`s....what would be the differences made?
I am thinking of a Carter S12 Ext.E9th btw. mica finish.
anything you can tell me would be much appreciated
Thank you
Glyndwr |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 6:09 am
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Generally, the more turns (higher resistance) a pickup has, the more bassy the tone gets. Conversely, the fewer turns (or lower resistance) a pickup has, the more treble it has, along with a lower output.
I don't think you'd find a significant difference if the values didn't change by 10% or more, so the 17.5k, the 18k, and the 18.5k you mentioned might sound pretty much the same, depending on the rest of your equipment.
Back in the '60s, when single-coils were all we had, values ranged from about 13k to 18k, and most players used something in the 16-18k range.[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 01 February 2004 at 08:47 AM.] |
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rpetersen
From:
Iowa
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 7:08 am
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I have one @17.5 on a Mullen Uni-12 and love it - I have a friend who had one I think at 18.5 or 19 and thought it was to bassy and is changing it back to 17.5.
My Mullen was too bassy on the low strings and this pickup cleaned it up with great tone separtion on all the strings.
Jerry will take care of you!!!!
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Ron Petersen &
The Keep'n Tyme Band
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Dennis Detweiler
From:
Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 7:20 am
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Glyn..... I recently rebuilt a 1976 MSA U-12 lacquer birdseye, wooden neck. The transition in tone was a complete turnaround. You can't go wrong with a True Tone pickup. I went with 18K winding. The guitar has a warm growl to it and crystal clear.
I also rebuilt my 1983 Zum U-12 mica, aluminum neck. I tried a recommended 20.5K TT on this guitar. It had the growl, but was muffled from the heavier winding. It is presently being rewound to 18K.
The selection of ohm's is a personal opinion which can depend on your amp, rack gear, volume pedal and, in the end, your preference of tone.
I've always liked a little fatter or darker tone, but the 20.5K is a little too much in my opinion. I wouldn't go any heavier than 19K.
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Larry Behm
From:
Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 8:12 am
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Eric West uses a 16K on his Shobud and I have two TT's at 16K on my PP.
Larry Behm |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 10:28 am
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A PU of any name that measures say 18K will rarely sound the same in one make guitar versus another make.
A PU of one name measuring 18K will in all likelyhood sound different than another name 18K PU installed in the same guitar.
Point being; there is much more to sound from a PSG than the pick up. PLUS, there is much difference in various make PU's with the same amount of same gauge wire.
How many turns of wire, how tight or loose those turns, the core the wire is wound on, the direction of turns one loop versus another, the magnet type shape and location, etc, etc, makes measuring with an ohmeter of very little use in rating PU's.
ONLY when all else is equal, including the guitar and amp, plus any and all accessories; does the DC resistance mean anything.
carl[This message was edited by C Dixon on 01 February 2004 at 10:31 AM.] |
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Tom Olson
From:
Spokane, WA
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 12:46 pm
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| Also, the type, size, and strength of the magnets will affect the sound as well, even with the same resistance. Furthermore, the size, and type of wire will affect the sound to, even when the resistance is the same. So, as Carl said, the resistance only gives you a general description of the p/u, and it's not much to go on. |
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James Quackenbush
From:
Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 4:18 pm
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I've had enough of Jerry's Truetones to know the difference on the various strength's that he makes....His TT"s are very sensitive pickups, and the difference between 17.5k and 18.5k is really quite dramatic...There is not right or wrong , or better or worse...It all depends on what color your looking for ...17.5k is a happy medium...Just enough bass, and VERY sweet treble ...Go up to 18.5k -19k, and the pickup becomes darker and not as brite but will smoothe out a brite sounding steel ..
Jerry advised me on 17.5 a while ago for the E9 neck, and 18.5k for the C6 neck, and for a good balance of everything , and good string seperation, I would tend to agree...Again, if you like and even briter early Emmons recording tone, you could even go to 16.5k or lower, but you are going into a brighter pickup now ...GREAT sound for steels that seem to have a muddy tone to them ... Good Luck on your choice ...Jim |
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Harold Dye
From:
Cullman, Alabama, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 5:40 pm
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| Jerry just did a rewind on original Sho-Buds for me. I have not had them in the guitar in 15 or so years. They are remarkable. I think the E9 is 17.5K and the 6th is 18.3 or 18.5. I have found the type equipment I use makes some difference, but the pickups are outstanding. I get great string separation and the they are crystal clear with little to no hum. The Bud pickups have 1/4in. magnets and his TTs have 3/8. If the TTs make as much difference as the rewinds they are fantastic. The old Sho-Bud has never sounded so good (my playing excluded of course) |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 7:58 pm
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Yup. Like Larry said. In fact when I get my Professional rebuilt I'm going with 14.5k pickups or have a splitter at 14 of 16k.
That said, this is for a 10 string guitar, as Larry's PP. I would imagine an increase of 20% for a 12, but then I'm no rocket scientist.
EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 01 February 2004 at 08:05 PM.] |
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