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Topic: need advice from Fender-heads |
Brian Davis
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San Francisco, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 10:59 am |
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A friend of mine is selling a blackface 2x12 bassman cabinet, no speakers. I have a home-made cab I rebaffled for 2x12s that I could replace with this one. Curious to hear what you guys might think is a fair price for the cabinet only. Because this is a closed back, how does Fender accomodate for the inevitable speaker distortion with high volume? Forgive me, but I am not just not familiar with the design.
Thanks,
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Ken Fox
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Nashville GA USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 11:18 am
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| There is a large and small cab. The small one, make for a piggback setup is worth more. The later one is big, and hard to give away! |
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Brian Davis
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San Francisco, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 11:40 am
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| This is not the "tall" version. It lays down and has kick-back legs and the screw things on top for the head. Again, no speakers. Is this the earlier version, Ken? [This message was edited by Brian Davis on 26 January 2004 at 12:04 PM.] |
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 12:50 pm
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Yes, that is the one. I would think $150.00 to $200.00 (unloaded) is not out of the question. A reproduction cab would cost more than that. Condition should be very good, at that price.
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Rick Johnson
From:
Wheelwright, Ky USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 1:05 pm
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Brian
The small 2/12 has a divider panel in
the middle and they are usually insulated.
but not ported. Make sure you get your
speakers in phase so they both push
in the same direction.
A repro cab would cost you about 175.00
without any hardware. The legs and 1/4 x 20
knurled knobs and inserts would cost you
around around 40.00/50.00
and then shipping on top of all of that.
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Rick Johnson
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Brian Davis
From:
San Francisco, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 2:31 pm
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Sounds good. Thanks for the help, guys. On the off chance this is a silverface era piggy-back cabinet, would there be any disadvantage? I saw on the field guide that the later model was a little bit bigger as well. Also, how do you put speakers in phase exactly? The baffle is original. They should just mount in there, no?
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LARRY COLE
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LANCASTER, OHIO, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 3:04 pm
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Brian, out of phase is one speaker wired backward from the other and you loose a lot of the lows and they sound quacky kind of like a Strat in the second or forth position on the pickup switch.
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LARRY COLE
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LANCASTER, OHIO, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 3:12 pm
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By the way, Rick Johnson does great work building and restoring cabinets. He had a Fender Bandmaster in a 2-10 cabinet at the show that was super and I think it is for sale.
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Playing For JESUS,LC. WILLIAMS U12,SHO-BUD PRO1,CARVIN TL60,GIBSON LES PAUL CUSTOM,YAMAHA L-10A ACOUSTIC,ROLAND JW-50 KEYBOARD,G&L AND BC RICH BASS'S
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 26 Jan 2004 7:20 pm
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My 2cents...
Unless the cabinet is in very good condition, I don't think it would be worth over $100. If it is in very good shape (no torn tolex & good grille cloth) I think it might be worth $150. |
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Steve Hinson
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Hendersonville Tn USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2004 4:53 am
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| Brian-Fender changed to the bigger Bassman cabinet before the silverface era began...if it is a small cabinet,it has to be from the blackface years. |
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Brian Davis
From:
San Francisco, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2004 7:40 am
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These are the cabinet dimensions listed for a silverface bassman on the fender amp field guide:
Cabinet:
68-71: 40" x 29½" x 11½"
72-83: 30" x 28" x 12"
There is also a pic on there of a '68 piggyback? Was this a transition amp? Did they ever go back to piggy-back in 72 or does the smaller silverface cab still sit vertically? If there is a silverface piggy-back cabinet, any problems mounting a '62 Bassman head on there? Thanks for all the help, guys. I really appreciate it.
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2004 8:22 am
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A Bassman head is likely not a fit, it is usually narrower. Check the Fender Amp Field Guide for head dimensions.
http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/ |
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Steve Hinson
From:
Hendersonville Tn USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2004 4:27 am
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| . [This message was edited by Steve Hinson on 28 January 2004 at 04:30 AM.] |
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Brian Davis
From:
San Francisco, USA
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Posted 30 Jan 2004 11:11 am
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I did some digging around and read about the tone rings that were included in the blonde era cabinets. Do the blackface cabs also have tonerings? What is it they do exactly? Should I expect to find one in a cabinet without the speakers? How much would it be worth without the tone rings? Again, thanks.
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 30 Jan 2004 11:40 am
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If I'm not mistaken, you can determine speaker phasing with a 1-1/2 volt battery.
Hooking up the battery to each speaker, check for the polarity that makes the cones go in the same direction. I believe plus should make the cone extend and minus make it retract. The objective of speaker phasing is just to keep the cones going in the same direction for a given polarity of the signal.
My Dad finally gave me his 1967 Fender Bassman last year. I checked E-bay for current pricing and saw prices from $600 to $800 complete, or $350 for the base and $450 for the head. You wanna watch, their postings can be misleading. The photos will show the complete amp & head but the description will only be calling out the amp OR the head.[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 30 January 2004 at 11:43 AM.] |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 30 Jan 2004 12:35 pm
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| Brian, do you also need speakers? I have a '70s Twin Reverb with two JBL 12s that I am considering replacing with a 15" speaker. |
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Mike Simpson
From:
Gilbert, Arizona, USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2004 2:30 pm
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Rick, you mention that the smaller 2x12 cabinet is "usually insulated", What is used for insulation?
I have a 67' 2x12 JBL Bandmaster cabinet that I use with my 68 Dual Showman Reverb head and there was big pieces of crudely cut out 2" thick foam rubber behind the speaker and I took it out because it didn't look original to me. I saved it in case it was original. |
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Joe E
From:
Houston Texas
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Posted 31 Jan 2004 6:01 pm
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THe insulation was of a fiber glass type. SImular to R13, which will work fine.
According to Dick Dale, he was (at least) partially responsible for the insulation. Siteting that when they moved to the bigger cabs like the Dual showman, they were to boomy. According to him, he was also responsible for the JBL "F" series speaker.
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Gene Wilcox
From:
Kingman AZ USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2004 7:20 am
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What the insulation does is diminish the effect of standing waves inside the cabinet, hence less "boominess" and tighter bass.
Instead of typical fiberglass insulation, you can use fiber batting available at craft or yardage shops. It works just as well, and is much safer to handle and you can get plenty very cheaply. Keep it fluffed up, not compressed for maximum results.
HTH |
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