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Topic: Modeling amps that emulate famous players steels |
Wayne Carver
From:
Martinez, Georgia, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2003 10:11 am |
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| What about a modeling amp or effect that would emulate the sound of famous players rather than the sound of a certain amp? Or like the new guitar that sounds sorta like a bunch of popular vintage guitars. Maybe too much of a certain players sound is in their hands and couldn't be reproduced gadget-wise. |
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Brad Sarno
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St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2003 11:44 am
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Well the issue with modeling is that it's done in the laboratory environment and what gets modeled is the amp itself. For example, they would take the best sounding Fender Deluxe they could find, put in in the lab and run all kinds of sounds thru it at all kinds of volumes and all kinds of tone settings. The computer then analyzes what the amp does to the incoming signals and compares them. This gives the computer the information about what exactly a Fender Deluxe does to sound, how it distorts, compresses, etc. Then the computer "model" can re-create pretty closely the range of characteristics any particular amp exhibits.
Your question regarding modeling a player, well that gets into a realm where it would be hard for a computer to analyze and create a model from. You could however model a player's pickups and amplifier so at least you could model the gear. But to model the player, you may have to stick some long sharp electrodes into their brain and fingers. I dont think Mooney would care for that. Now Joe Wright on the other hand.... (just kiddin Joe)
Brad Sarno
Blue Jade Audio Mastering
St. Louis, MO |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 31 Mar 2003 12:03 pm
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Well, you can't model the way someone plays, but you could model how their guitar and amp sound. As I understand it, Line 6 models guitar, amp and speaker cabinet sounds not just by listening to the original product live in some techie's hands, but also by listening to how it sounds in the hands of particular artists on particular classic tracks. I don't see why they couldn't do that for steel.
Of course the market is really small (compared to the regular guitar market), so it may not be cost-effective for them to spend time on this. On the other hand, you can add files to their modelers for sounds that weren't part of the original package, so they might be willing to do a few for us, or possibly some steelers who have these products could come up with some steel files to add. I think there would also be interest in various resophonic sounds (a la Matchbro), and other instruments sounds, especially fiddle. A harmonica sound might also be cool, we could really bend those harp notes. And sax, that would be way-cool.
Actually, when you start thinking about it, a lot of these sounds would work better on steel than on a regular guitar or a keyboard, because all the instruments I mentioned above have variable volume, which we can do with our volume pedal, and variable pitch (the gliss), which we can do with our bar. So there are a lot of sounds that would work on steel, but not on regular guitar or keyboard. |
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Wayne Carver
From:
Martinez, Georgia, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2003 6:03 pm
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| I can see that it would be hard to get the exact players sound as mentioned but it would be nice to have the sound of there steel, amp(with settings), effect used if any. If they could play a recording and model that sound, or as mentioned at least the equipment part. I'm sure they couldn't capture the soul of the artist. It would be nice to have the different instruments sax, etc. coming from a steel. |
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Aaron Schiff
From:
Cedaredge, CO, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2003 10:11 am
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Wow! What a great idea! 100 years ago we had player pianos and John Q. Public could sound just like a real pro. I'm waiting for this. My first vote would be to model Speedy West. My second would be Tom Morrell.  |
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Tim Harr
From:
Dunlap, Illinois
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Posted 1 Apr 2003 12:04 pm
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I don't believe that would work... The sound comes from the HANDS.
I have seen Buddy sit down behind a guitar and play then another player follow him on the same rig and they sound like themselves on the same guitar.
No electronics can substitute the HANDS....
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Tim Harr - Carter D-10 8 & 9 - Troy Cook Jr Band ~ Stardust Nashville Recording Artist
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 6 Apr 2003 3:33 pm
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You said it, Tim! Everyone looks for a "short-cut", but there aren't any. You need a good steel, a good amp, a decent volume pedal, and practice, that's it! Most of the particular "sound" or style we hear from any player comes from his technique, and his "ear", not from his "gear". I've seen too many steelers buy processors, matching devices, and all sorts of other stuff, only to be disappointed in the end.
The "touch" a pro has, and how he "dials in" his amp to get "his sound" takes many years to perfect. Stay with it, and you'll have it one of these days, too!  |
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Gary Walker
From:
Morro Bay, CA
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Posted 13 Apr 2003 2:01 pm
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| How many times have we witnessed Tommy on the Opry playing a different brand each week and there is seemingly no change in tone. So it's not the vehicle but the driver. |
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 14 Apr 2003 2:42 pm
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To heck with modeling amps,I'm looking for a player roll steel!!!!!
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Johan Jansen
From:
Europe
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Posted 16 Apr 2003 8:15 am
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| like to have a modeling brain and hands |
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