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Topic: Convert the Extension Speaker jack on my Fender Amp to line- |
Gerald Ross
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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2002 5:18 am |
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Someone told me that if I connect a Direct Box to the Extension Speaker jack of my Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue amp I can then use the output of the Direct box as an input into my digital recorder. Make sense?
Will this hurt the amp?
Can I unplug the main speaker of the amp and get a "silent" input into my digital recorder?
Thanks,
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
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Bill Crook
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Goodlettsville, TN , Spending my kid's inheritance
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Posted 2 Sep 2002 6:19 am
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Gerald..........
If you plug the "Direct Box" into the Extension Speaker jack,you WIll most likely burn it up !!
It wasn't designed to operate from the speaker jack.
As for operateing your Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue amp without a speaker, Thats a No-No too. The tube type amps arn't designed to be run without a "load". Solid-state amps may be run without a load, BUT they cannot be run with a load lower than 2ohm's.
DONT even try to use the "Direct-Out" box from the speaker jack !!
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Sep 2002 4:46 pm
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| Gerald, any good tech can install a "line out" jack in your amp. I think that's what you really want. |
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gary darr
From:
Somewhere out in Texas
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Posted 2 Sep 2002 6:47 pm
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I have a audio technica Direct box in which you can run your speaker out through the box and back to your speakers and then take the line out side of the box to your recorder, but you should have a speaker load on that tube amp as stated from previous replies.You might consider trying to isolate the amp in a different room or booth if you are wanting to monitor whats going down on tape or harddrive....just curious why line out vrs micing speaker?
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Sho-Bud proII custom,Session 500,American standard Strat,Shecter tele,Peavy Classic 50,Fender Vibrolux
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Gerald Ross
From:
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2002 5:29 am
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Hi Gary,
I want a line-out so I can record at 3AM without waking up my family. Also, I have kids that are always coming into my studio. By using a direct line into my recorder I don't have the problem of "Dad, Dad, Dad" getting recorded on tape.
Also, when using the Audio Technica box do you need to have an extension speaker hooked up to it or is the line-out enough?
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
[This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 03 September 2002 at 06:30 AM.] [This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 03 September 2002 at 06:31 AM.] |
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gary darr
From:
Somewhere out in Texas
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Posted 3 Sep 2002 2:22 pm
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I dont think just using the line out off of the DI box would be considered as a dummy speaker load, possibly some of our amp guru forumites will chime in on this subject.I can certainly relate to your late night recording sessions and young ones shatting about. I just wonder if the amp could be modded in some fashion to allow only the preamp section run for direct recording with out the power tubes being in the picture? again we make a desperate call for amp guru's.....Ken Fox are you out there lol
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Sho-Bud proII custom,Session 500,American standard Strat,Shecter tele,Peavy Classic 50,Fender Vibrolux
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 3 Sep 2002 3:07 pm
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I go direct from my volume pedal to the input on my BR-8 recorder and use the internal reverb of the BR-8. Use phones and there you have it, 3AM recording.
JE:-)> |
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gary darr
From:
Somewhere out in Texas
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Posted 3 Sep 2002 6:50 pm
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Volume pedal to recorder could get you through in a crunch,I think what Gerald is trying to achieve is tube warmth at low or no volume. I have experimented a little with running through a pre-sonus blue tube sterio pre amp to warm up the direct signal...just a thought
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Sho-Bud proII custom,Session 500,American standard Strat,Shecter tele,Peavy Classic 50,Fender Vibrolux
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Bill Crook
From:
Goodlettsville, TN , Spending my kid's inheritance
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Posted 4 Sep 2002 5:09 am
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I use a "Radio Shack" 4 channel mixer,cost about $59.00.
1) Steel into a "Peavey Pro-fex II".
2) Profex II to the little mixer (2 channels)
3) Back-up traks (aka Tape player,C.D.,computer audio) into the other 2 channels.
4) Output of little mixer to another Tape-player for recording process.
If you plug a set of headphones into almost any tape-recorder,you can hear the sound reguardless of the mode your in,record or playback. This way, there is no external sounds to muddle up the process. And you can pick as hard as you wish,set the audio as loud as you wish,without wakeing up anyone or distroying the final cut with outside sounds such as train horns or dogs barkin' at cars right in the middle of a passage. Of course, the cat loves to help play the steel too,which makes for a re-take or two every now and then.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Sep 2002 6:08 pm
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Gary, re: your suggestion about just using the preamp section in a tube amp, sure...it's no problem. If it doesn't have a line out jack, have a tech add one, along with a switch to cut the signal to the final. Or, you could just remove the output tubes, and the preamp would still operate normally.
Also, remember...most of the "sound" of an amp (i.e., it's particular tonal characteristics) doesn't come from the preamp, but from the output stage, the cabinet, and the speaker. Moreover, that signal you feed your recorder probably won't sound much like your amp does. Sorry, fact of life.[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 04 September 2002 at 07:16 PM.] |
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2002 6:27 am
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| Check out the THD Hotplate for low or no volume recording which preserves the sound of the output stage of your amp. You might want to eq the output of the hotplate with something like an H&K Red Box for direct recording. Here's the web site: http://thdelectronics.com/products.htm |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 5 Sep 2002 12:15 pm
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| Donny's right as rain! Have a line out installed after your preamp, pull the power tubes, and record away. But, as Donny said, don't expect the preamp to make up your tone, since all the things he mentioned, plus the power amp tubes, have a lot to do with it. But there are several tube-type recording preamps out there, if you've got the money to toss around. |
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